1/2 Flop Decision

ThierryHenry · #1 08-10-2007, 12:38 AM

CO is 13.7/10/2.7
Button I only had 10 or so hands on, but played 60% of them and never raised PF once till this hand.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 3 folds, CO 3-bets, Button caps, 2 folds, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Button calls, Hero...?

Although there is little doubt that I am beat and could be drawing very slim, I am getting 15.5-1 odds on my call. Is this an easy peel?

kerowo · #2 08-10-2007, 12:42 AM

Closing the action, yes. If you were between the CO and the Button (but that's unpossible!) you wouldn't want to call this.

Captain Ace · #3 08-10-2007, 12:43 AM

Fold. I think that the raise preflop is questionable, but a bet and a call on the flop notes you are beat and like you said you are drawing very slim. I may be completely wrong but I think folding is the right play for sure.

kerowo · #4 08-10-2007, 12:45 AM

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Fold. I think that the raise preflop is questionable, but a bet and a call on the flop notes you are beat and like you said you are drawing very slim. I may be completely wrong but I think folding is the right play for sure.

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Pre-flop raise is standard on 87% of the tables you want to be playing at.

Captain Ace · #5 08-10-2007, 12:50 AM

OK, I am just getting started to taking limit seriously and trying to post on hands. Alot that is posted from me will be wrong probably, but hopefully that will change soon!

calidris · #6 08-10-2007, 01:50 AM

*grunch*
Closing the action you can peel one hoping to catch a miracle 8. You won't be good often enough if you hit a T or A but there's 14.5 SB in the pot already and you should be able to get a few more if you hit so implied odds are good.

It's a cheap draw to the nut OESD with a possible big reward where you are last to act so call. If you were sandwiched between the other two you should lay this down since you can't afford to pay more here.

Reaction · #7 08-10-2007, 02:05 AM

PF: Fold when its two back to you OOP. Pot Odds are 7.5:2 with a probable dominated hand. Flop a Flush draw @ 11% + trip up the T @ ~ 1% + flop flush ~1% comes in at a generous 13% . That is 6.5:1 but actually 13:2 since its two to call. I don't think you make up 7BB post flop.

00Snitch · #8 08-10-2007, 02:21 AM

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Pre-flop raise is standard on 87%

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You are rounding up? I calculated it at 86.8%.

I'm probably gunna peel the flop cause thats what kero says, but I don't know if we realistically have the 3 outs we need. However, being that if our Aces are good, we stand to win probably something like 3-4bb more, I guess you can do it.

ThierryHenry · #9 08-10-2007, 02:24 AM

But there's also some straights/straight draws you aren't accounting for. I don't know what the odds are, but I'm sure it's higher than 13% overall.

JamesBJames · #10 08-10-2007, 05:23 AM

Yeah, I'm usually raising ATs UTG. If the table is really tight, it could be close between calling and raising, but against a table where the majority of the players are unknown, a raise is standard.

That said, given 15.5:1 odds on the flop, I say peel one. An eight or a jack gives us some draws. I doubt the button will raise the turn if an eight or jack hits, so you're fine chasing your straight draw.