Large Pot With Aces

[Jeffage]

This hand happened in AC a few weeks ago - been away for a bit due to work commitments. 40-80.

Anyway, game was loose and playing a bit wildly. Five people limped to the cutoff, a loose/typical player who raised. I was on the button and looked down at A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] so I gave him the 120 treatment. The BB called two bets cold and (pretty shockingly actually) every other limper proceeded to call two bets more. The cutoff then capped, I of course called, and we took the flop eight ways for four bets.

The flop came down pretty ugly, K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Everyone checked to the cutoff who bet, I called and four others called. Six of us to the turn, 19 big bets in the pot.

The turn brings the 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. It's checked to the cutoff who again bets. I raise, and it's folded back to a MP player who plays very well but is capable of making moves, playing very aggressively. He now 3-bets which makes me a little ill. The cutoff now coldcalls two more bets so it's one more bet to me. Plan?

And what about the rest of the hand?

Thanks,
Jeff

[drbk2]

I fold the turn. It seems like a really ridiculous move for a good player to make in what very much looks like a protected pot if he is bluffing. The rest of the hand looks fine, just a really horrible spot where whatever you do you think it's not right. Wouldn't be surprised if cutoff has the other two aces or has KKK.

[DeathDonkey]

I raise the flop and face the field with two bets. Obviously you don't fold out single high clubs or pairs, but the runner runner guys get lost and it's pure valuetown. This isn't a spot to wait for the turn given your relative position I think. I guess I call down given the big pot and your read.

-DeathDonkey

[jfk]

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I raise the flop and face the field with two bets. Obviously you don't fold out single high clubs or pairs, but the runner runner guys get lost and it's pure valuetown. This isn't a spot to wait for the turn given your relative position I think. I guess I call down given the big pot and your read.

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I agree with the above, especially the flop raise. It was a blessing that the preflop raiser was to your right so you can clear the field. A raise has the field not only looking at calling two cold but the prospect of you and the cutoff making it four.

As played it looks like you need to grit your teeth and call down purely due to pot size. If a club hits on the river and you get a bet and call in front of you, then a fold seems safe.

[AragornX151]

I raise the flop too. As played, I don't think you can call here. The cold caller is pretty scary here (feels like a small flush or set), and the river could get ugly. I'd just give it up here.

[mongidig]

I don't mind waiting for the turn to raise here; I think it gives you the best chance to protect your hand and you may be able to save money if a fourth club hits. Raising the flop may not be bad either since anybody without a club may be hesitant to continue.

On the turn, I would call and pray that the three better is getting aggressive with a pair and a flush draw like AcKd or has a set in which case you might have two outs to outdraw him for the win unless the other guy has a club or the made flush already.

If a blank hits the river I probably call one bet but I am not too optimistic.

[ssmallz]

I think you can fold this turn. I know the pot is big but this guy is bluffing .0001% of the time. He's got a flush here way too often.

I prefer raising the turn, not b/c I'm worried about hand protection but b/c the turn card changes our equity so much and I don't want to invest a ton of bets on the flop to fold on the turn. Once the 4th club hits our hand is toast unless of course its the Ac.

[goofball]

There's no way you can fold the turn, the pot is too big and he can have too many hands you beat. When people are planning to checkraise the turn and someone raises before them some generally coldcall and some generally 3bet. your guy sounds like he's in the later group, for that reason you should call.

[Bad Lobster]

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I raise the flop and face the field with two bets.

-DeathDonkey

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It may be he decided that two big bets on the turn would get out more people than two small bets on the flop--however, with pot sizes of 35 and 22 bets respectively there's not much protecting the pot either way.

Might as well bet the river whatever comes. Might get called by a worse hand, might fold a better one, might make someone who was going to bet anyway slow down.

[mr pink]

LOL.

sick spot.

the only hands i can see the CO call 2 cold there on the turn are A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K or KK, and i'm gonna assume mp isn't pulling this w/ less than a set (thoughts on this?) in which case you're drawing to 1 or 2 outs.

so I guess the best shape you can hope for in this monster is set over set and you should call closing the action to hit your 2 outer getting 27 to 1 but I wouldn't be very happy about it as a good chunk of the time you're drawing dead. I'd probably call just for sanity reasons in case the A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] bombs the river and KKK scoops it.

I dunno, I'd probably end up paying off the river if it blanked just b/c if I somehow folded the winner in a 30 bb pot I'd probably off myself shortly after.

tough hand bro.

p.s. back in the states, hitting the pub atm but should be around later.