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07-11-2007, 01:04 PM
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40-80 at CAZ - PROTECT YOUR HAND, and don\'t throw cards at the dealer
Playing at Casino AZ yesterday in the 40-80. I’m in seat 2, and seat 4 is Mr. Tilt. He’s playing 3 out of 4 hands, and it’s fairly obvious when he misses a draw. He’s whittled down 2 racks in an hour and throwing cards at the dealer every other missed draw. He’ll call 2 bets cold with T-7o and call you down with bottom pair. He’ll call you down w/A-8 on an A-3-3 board when it’s obvious someone has a “3”.
OK, enough background. Early weak player (EWP) raises, I 3-bet in middle position w/Tc9c to isolate, Mr. Tilt cold calls 3 bets which means nothing. Three of us to the flop, which is AcQc8s and I flop flush draw plus gutterball. EWP bets, I call intending to raise almost any turn, Mr. Tilt calls. Turn is another spade, EWP bets, I raise according to plan, Mr. Tilt gives me pissy look and calls. EWP not happy, but calls. River another spade, EWP checks, I bet, Mr. Tilt calls, EWP tanks and eventually folds. I say nothing and proudly turn over my ten-high right next to the board, which LOOKS like I made a monster but is nothing. Dealer ANNOUNCES “ten-high” flatly. Mr. Tilt is already throwing his cards at the dealer, and one of the rebounds off his gut and falls face down into the muck. The other card bounces face-up and is a Queen. OOPS. “Sorry sir your hand is dead” A friend of mine, who is also a dealer at this casino, is sweating me. I turn around and sheepishly ask “What do I do?” He says “Rake the pot man you win!! Karma - serves him right for throwing cards at the dealer.” Mr. Tilt lasted another orbit before he stormed off... 
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#2
07-11-2007, 01:45 PM
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Re: 40-80 at CAZ - PROTECT YOUR HAND, and don\'t throw cards at the dealer
Serves the dooosh right
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#3
07-11-2007, 02:02 PM
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Re: 40-80 at CAZ - PROTECT YOUR HAND, and don\'t throw cards at the dea
LOL. I love that he exposed the Q also, showing the whole table what an idiot he was.
Slightly OT: Raising the turn on a flush draw with a tilty guy who won't fold a pair behind you = ???
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07-11-2007, 02:14 PM
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Re: 40-80 at CAZ - PROTECT YOUR HAND, and don\'t throw cards at the dea
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Slightly OT: Raising the turn on a flush draw with a tilty guy who won't fold a pair behind you = ??? [/ QUOTE ] Welcome to CAZ where everyone plays bad. The OP never claimed that he played the hand optimally.
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#5
07-11-2007, 02:28 PM
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Re: 40-80 at CAZ - PROTECT YOUR HAND, and don\'t throw cards at the dea
There is a reason this hand is in the B&M and not medium limit forum...I guess Howard is right and I should really take a shot at this game.
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07-11-2007, 02:28 PM
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Re: 40-80 at CAZ - PROTECT YOUR HAND, and don\'t throw cards at the dea
Point?
"PROTECT YOUR HAND"? MrTilt clearly misread your hand and the board and/or was mislead by the dealer's announcement and thought "ten high" meant "ten high flush". Are you suggesting that a player who thinks he lost the pot should always table his hand? Please explain it to the IWTSTH-phobes and MrInstaMucks here. Sure, MrTilt was a jerk. Agreed. He shouldn't throw cards at the dealer. Nobody should. Ever. But, as I read your story, the only "negative" that came from this action was the embarrassment of showing he mucked a winner. And since this was not a "what is the ruling" post, I guess he did not complain about you getting the pot. Did he even realize he mucked the winner?
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#7
07-11-2007, 02:30 PM
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Re: 40-80 at CAZ - PROTECT YOUR HAND, and don\'t throw cards at the dea
I'll leave the strategy out of this hand as I feel the hand was not played optimally, however, it is a players responsibility to table his hand and it takes two cards to win. This is entirely his issue and he has nobody to blame but himself. I'm not even sure this could slide if he was a fat tipper but it would be close.
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#8
07-11-2007, 02:36 PM
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Re: 40-80 at CAZ - PROTECT YOUR HAND, and don\'t throw cards at the dea
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There is a reason this hand is in the B&M and not medium limit forum [/ QUOTE ] If it was a strategy post I would have moved it to the mid limit forum, if it was a brag I would have moved it to BBV. But there is a valid discussion about the ruling, thats why I felt its good to keep in B&M. Ready? The muck isn't magical place where hands are automatically ruled dead <u>in all situations</u> if they cannot be recovered - discuss!
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#9
07-11-2007, 02:45 PM
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Re: 40-80 at CAZ - PROTECT YOUR HAND, and don\'t throw cards at the dea
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Ready? The muck isn't magical place where hands are automatically ruled dead <u>in all situations</u> if they cannot be recovered - discuss! [/ QUOTE ] This is (or at least should be) absolutely correct. However, in this case that's not the issue; Mr. Tilt demonstrated clear intent to muck his hand. In previous instances, he had mucked losers in exactly this fashion. That one card turned over demonstrating that he was, in fact, mucking the winning hand, does not change his intent. It's beautiful poetic justice, but that's not relevant to the ruling. He did not table his hand, had no intent to table his hand, and mucked. That kills his hand and hero wins the pot.
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#10
07-11-2007, 04:28 PM
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Re: 40-80 at CAZ - PROTECT YOUR HAND, and don\'t throw cards at the dea
Phew - I'm glad I didn't post this in Middle Limit. However, if I did I would've added the 5-10 other "context" hands and the image of the EWP and my image, etc... this one hand, out of context, was suboptimal. I've been working on different aspects of my game, and for me, at this stage of my development, having the courage the trust my reads on the hand and play accordingly is more important. But again this is B&M so I'll leave that for another thread.
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