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Old 12-01-2007, 01:04 AM
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In 1944, 13% of Americans wanted to "kill all Japanese" and in December 1945 22% wished the United States had had the opportunity to use "many more" atomic bombs before Japan had a chance to surrender.

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In 1937 the Japanese wanted to rape and pillage Nanking and they did. So I think the Chinese of that era would probably have had attitudes similar than the americans, if not more so.
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Old 12-01-2007, 01:12 AM
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In 1944, 13% of Americans wanted to "kill all Japanese" and in December 1945 22% wished the United States had had the opportunity to use "many more" atomic bombs before Japan had a chance to surrender.

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Even if that statistic is true (of course you don't bother citing a source) and 13% of Americans literally wanted to kill every single living Japanes person, which highly doubtful, that is still a terrible comparison. Do you think being outraged at a country that literally raped and murdered tens of millions is comparable to being outraged over a bear named Mohammad?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sino-Japanese_War

"The Chinese lost approximately 3.22 million soldiers. 9.13 million civilians died in the crossfire, and another 8.4 million as non-military casualties. According to historian Mitsuyoshi Himeta, at least 2.7 million civilians died during the "kill all, loot all, burn all" operation (sanko sakusen) implemented in May 1942 in North China by general Yasuji Okamura and authorized on 3 December 1941 by Imperial Headquarter Order number 575.

Chinese sources list the total military and non-military casualties, dead and wounded, of the Chinese were 35 million. Most Western historians believed that the casualties were at least 20 million."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women

"Comfort women or military comfort women is a euphemism for the women who were forced into sexual slavery for Japanese military brothels during World War II. Around 10,000 - 200,000 are estimated to have been procured, but there is still some disagreement about exactly how many women were. However, historians and researchers have stated that the majority were from Korea, China, but women from the Philippines, Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, Taiwan, the Dutch East Indies, Indonesia, and other Japanese-occupied territories were also involved in "comfort stations". These stations were located in Japan, China, the Philippines, Indonesia, the then Malaya, Thailand, the then Burma, the then New Guinea, Hong Kong, Macau, and the then French Indochina. Young women from countries under Japanese imperial domination were were reportedly abducted from their homes against their will, while in some cases women were also recruited with offers of work in military canteens and factories and subsequently forced to sexual service. It has been documented that the Japanese military itself recruited women by force."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes

"Special Japanese military units conducted experiments on civilians and POWs in China. One of the most infamous was Unit 731. Victims were subjected to vivisection without anesthesia, amputations, and were used to test biological weapons, among other experiments. Anesthesia was not used because it was considered to affect results. In some victims, animal blood was injected into their bodies.

To determine the treatment of frostbite, prisoners were taken outside in freezing weather and left with exposed arms, periodically drenched with water until frozen solid. The arm was later amputated; the doctor would repeat the process on the victimís upper arm to the shoulder. After both arms were gone, the doctors moved on to the legs until only a head and torso remained. The victim was then used for plague and pathogens experiments."

", a professor of political science at the University of Hawaii, states that between 1937 and 1945, the Japanese military murdered near 3,000,000 to over 10,000,000 people, most probably 6,000,000 Chinese, Indonesians, Koreans, Filipinos, and Indochinese, among others, including Western prisoners of war. This democide was due to a morally bankrupt political and military strategy, military expediency and custom, and national culture." According to Rummel, in China alone, during 1937-45, approximately 3.9 million Chinese were killed, mostly civilians, as a direct result of the Japanese operations and 10.2 millions in the course of the war.

The most infamous incident during this period was the Nanking Massacre of 1937-38, when, according to the findings of the International Military Tribunal for the Far East, the Japanese Army massacred as many as 430,000 civilians and prisoners of war, although the accepted figure is somewhere in the hundreds of thousands. Similar crime was the Changjiao massacre. In Southeast Asia, the Manila massacre, resulted in the deaths of 100,000 civilians in the Phillipines and in the Sook Ching massacre, between 25,000 and 50,000 ethnic Chinese in Singapore were taken to beaches and massacred."
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Old 12-01-2007, 01:31 AM
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So we should drop "many more bombs" on them?
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Old 12-01-2007, 01:36 AM
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Okay, I get it, Americans are evil, blah, blah, even though we stopped two Holocausts and helped transform Germany and Japan into civilized countries despite the atrocities that they committed.

How many other countries have won wars without demanding territorial gain and spent their own money rebuilding the countries that attacked them?
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Old 12-01-2007, 01:50 AM
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Okay, I get it, Americans are evil, blah, blah, even though we stopped two Holocausts and helped transform Germany and Japan into civilized countries despite the atrocities that they committed.


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I remember reading about this. Germany and Japan lived in caves, had no language and ate all their meats raw. The United States civilized them. I believe it was a project code named "Henry Higgens."
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Old 12-01-2007, 01:50 AM
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The United States has at least one "Islamo-facist" nation as it's ally already with it's support of Saudi Arabia. Doesn't seem like the current administration is too anxious to help dump that regime.
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Old 12-01-2007, 02:37 AM
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How many other countries have won wars without demanding territorial gain and spent their own money rebuilding the countries that attacked them?

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There's quite a bit of American "territory" on Japanese soil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Forces_Japan
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Old 12-01-2007, 02:39 AM
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This isn't an example of why we need to fight islamo-facism. If you want to make that argument, talk about Iran, Syria and Sudan's macro-policies, not local events.

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The profound ignorance of most advocates of war should not astonish. It's part and parcel of the way of thinking that leads one to advocate war as the solution for most problems.

FYI, dear sir, Syria is NOT a nation ruled by islamic law. FYI, Syria, exactly like Saddam Hussein's Iraq (ah, those were the days) has consistently and actively opposed muslim fundamentalism. The Ba'athist regime of Syria (as did the Ba'athist regime of Iraq - ah those were the days!) chased and kept in line its islamic fundamentalists.

Syria can be accused of many things but not "islamo-fascism".

Anyway, you're not supposed to know this -- and you don't. All is well in the world.
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Old 12-01-2007, 03:47 AM
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How many other countries have won wars without demanding territorial gain and spent their own money rebuilding the countries that attacked them?

[/ QUOTE ]Don't be naive.

Every country in the world, big or small, and including the United States, is after advancing its own interests.

Grow some talleyrands in your neocortex.
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Old 12-01-2007, 04:10 AM
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In 1944, 13% of Americans wanted to "kill all Japanese" and in December 1945 22% wished the United States had had the opportunity to use "many more" atomic bombs before Japan had a chance to surrender.

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This doesn't surprise me, horrify me, or in any way change my opinion regarding the goodness and greatness of America.

I think we would both agree that the fighting in the Pacific was vicious, and that 13 or 22 percent of Americans would answer this way in response to a poll is in no way surprising or indicative of our national character or will.

The reality was that we managed the postwar peace in such a noble and enlightened way that forty years later Japan was bombarding us with Toyota and Honda autos instead of high tech weapons and 62 years later let some of us (i.e., Boston) to employ two Japanese citizens named Matsuzaka and Okajima to win another World Series.

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