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LO8 - Several Hands that need advice
Yes, I know, don't post multiple hands but I'd rather not post 8 different hands. I really think I'm running like F'ing garbage on gayStars, but maybe there are leaks I'm not seeing.
These are all from tonight's FR session as I got murdered, yet again. Comments on all hands appreciated Hand 1: Fold HU Preflop? Retardedly spewy riv call? PokerStars Game #12931788071: Omaha Hi/Lo Limit ($3/$6) - 2007/10/30 - 01:59:34 (ET) Table 'Priska III' 10-max Seat #8 is the button Seat 1: DaNuts,Jimmy ($200 in chips) Seat 2: Bfunk05 ($124 in chips) Seat 3: Bloomer ($225 in chips) Seat 4: levin_money ($99 in chips) Seat 6: shrewdabom86 ($71 in chips) Seat 7: stonedog72 ($115 in chips) Seat 8: action1004 ($96.50 in chips) Seat 9: LIGHTNING65 ($45.50 in chips) Seat 10: Johnnyj580 ($120 in chips) LIGHTNING65: posts small blind $1 Johnnyj580: posts big blind $3 bluefringe: sits out *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Johnnyj580 [Td Kh Th 9d] DaNuts,Jimmy: folds Bfunk05: folds Bloomer: folds levin_money: folds shrewdabom86: folds stonedog72: folds action1004: folds LIGHTNING65: raises $3 to $6 Johnnyj580: calls $3 *** FLOP *** [Ts 3d 4s] LIGHTNING65: bets $3 Johnnyj580: calls $3 *** TURN *** [Ts 3d 4s] [8s] LIGHTNING65: bets $6 Johnnyj580: calls $6 *** RIVER *** [Ts 3d 4s 8s] [5c] LIGHTNING65: bets $6 Johnnyj580: calls $6 *** SHOW DOWN *** LIGHTNING65: shows [2c Ah As 6h] (HI: a straight, Deuce to Six; LO: 5,4,3,2,A) Johnnyj580: mucks hand LIGHTNING65 collected $20 from pot LIGHTNING65 collected $20 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $42 | Rake $2 Board [Ts 3d 4s 8s 5c] Seat 1: DaNuts,Jimmy folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: Bfunk05 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: Bloomer folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: levin_money folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: shrewdabom86 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: stonedog72 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: action1004 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: LIGHTNING65 (small blind) showed [2c Ah As 6h] and won ($40) with HI: a straight, Deuce to Six; LO: 5,4,3,2,A Seat 10: Johnnyj580 (big blind) mucked [Td Kh Th 9d] Hand 2: Villian is raising EVERYTHING that resembles a hand when folded to. He is a longterm donater in all FR games. Hate the preflop 3bet? Hate Turn/Riv play? PokerStars Game #12931894866: Omaha Hi/Lo Limit ($3/$6) - 2007/10/30 - 02:10:50 (ET) Table 'Priska III' 10-max Seat #10 is the button Seat 1: DaNuts,Jimmy ($122 in chips) Seat 2: Bfunk05 ($111.50 in chips) Seat 3: Bloomer ($284 in chips) Seat 4: levin_money ($101 in chips) Seat 5: bluefringe ($99.50 in chips) Seat 6: shrewdabom86 ($140 in chips) Seat 7: stonedog72 ($144 in chips) Seat 8: action1004 ($63.50 in chips) Seat 9: chez35 ($95.50 in chips) Seat 10: Johnnyj580 ($59 in chips) DaNuts,Jimmy: posts small blind $1 Bfunk05: posts big blind $3 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Johnnyj580 [Js 3h 2h Jd] Bloomer: folds levin_money: folds bluefringe has timed out bluefringe: folds bluefringe is sitting out shrewdabom86: folds stonedog72: folds action1004: folds chez35: raises $3 to $6 Johnnyj580: raises $3 to $9 DaNuts,Jimmy: folds Bfunk05: folds chez35: calls $3 *** FLOP *** [7c 2c Ad] chez35: checks Johnnyj580: bets $3 bluefringe has returned chez35: calls $3 *** TURN *** [7c 2c Ad] [Qd] chez35: checks Johnnyj580: bets $6 chez35: raises $6 to $12 Johnnyj580: calls $6 *** RIVER *** [7c 2c Ad Qd] [4c] chez35: checks Johnnyj580: bets $6 chez35: calls $6 *** SHOW DOWN *** Johnnyj580: shows [Js 3h 2h Jd] (HI: a pair of Jacks; LO: 7,4,3,2,A) chez35: shows [4s 3d 6h Ac] (HI: two pair, Aces and Fours; LO: 6,4,3,2,A) chez35 collected $31 from pot chez35 collected $31 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $64 | Rake $2 Board [7c 2c Ad Qd 4c] Seat 1: DaNuts,Jimmy (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 2: Bfunk05 (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 3: Bloomer folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: levin_money folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: bluefringe folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: shrewdabom86 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: stonedog72 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: action1004 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: chez35 showed [4s 3d 6h Ac] and won ($62) with HI: two pair, Aces and Fours; LO: 6,4,3,2,A Seat 10: Johnnyj580 (button) showed [Js 3h 2h Jd] and lost with HI: a pair of Jacks; LO: 7,4,3,2,A Hand 3: Am I ever NOT jamming this w/ a short stack that will leave me with 1bb left? PokerStars Game #12931909917: Omaha Hi/Lo Limit ($3/$6) - 2007/10/30 - 02:12:27 (ET) Table 'Priska III' 10-max Seat #2 is the button Seat 1: DaNuts,Jimmy ($136 in chips) Seat 2: Bfunk05 ($105.50 in chips) Seat 3: Bloomer ($281 in chips) Seat 4: levin_money ($101 in chips) Seat 5: bluefringe ($96.50 in chips) Seat 6: shrewdabom86 ($140 in chips) Seat 7: stonedog72 ($144 in chips) Seat 8: action1004 ($60.50 in chips) Seat 9: chez35 ($127.50 in chips) Seat 10: Johnnyj580 ($26 in chips) Bloomer: posts small blind $1 levin_money: posts big blind $3 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Johnnyj580 [2h 9c As 9s] bluefringe: folds shrewdabom86: folds stonedog72: folds action1004: raises $3 to $6 chez35: folds Johnnyj580: calls $6 DaNuts,Jimmy: folds Bfunk05: folds Bloomer: folds levin_money: calls $3 *** FLOP *** [Qs Qh Ac] levin_money: checks action1004: checks Johnnyj580: checks *** TURN *** [Qs Qh Ac] [9h] levin_money: checks action1004: bets $6 Johnnyj580: raises $6 to $12 levin_money: folds action1004: raises $6 to $18 Johnnyj580: raises $2 to $20 and is all-in Betting is capped action1004: calls $2 *** RIVER *** [Qs Qh Ac 9h] [8h] *** SHOW DOWN *** action1004: shows [Qd 5d 4c Ad] (HI: a full house, Queens full of Aces) Johnnyj580: mucks hand action1004 collected $57 from pot No low hand qualified *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $59 | Rake $2 Board [Qs Qh Ac 9h 8h] Seat 1: DaNuts,Jimmy folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: Bfunk05 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: Bloomer (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 4: levin_money (big blind) folded on the Turn Seat 5: bluefringe folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: shrewdabom86 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: stonedog72 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: action1004 showed [Qd 5d 4c Ad] and won ($57) with HI: a full house, Queens full of Aces Seat 9: chez35 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 10: Johnnyj580 mucked [2h 9c As 9s] Hand 4: Bad Riv call. Does anyone find it more profitable to open-limp and fold to a flop that misses, like so? I find myself marrying hands that I've raised w/ preflop, as opposed to c/fing when I just limp. PokerStars Game #12931813063: Omaha Hi/Lo Limit ($2/$4) - 2007/10/30 - 02:02:10 (ET) Table 'Markab' 10-max Seat #5 is the button Seat 1: Bloomer ($199 in chips) Seat 2: lion1961 ($54 in chips) Seat 3: jstang09 ($100 in chips) Seat 4: DaNuts,Jimmy ($202 in chips) Seat 5: CaCTus MaK ($94 in chips) Seat 6: Zobinho ($131 in chips) Seat 7: AK Dude ($53 in chips) Seat 8: Hadji ($40.50 in chips) Seat 9: Yun-Harla ($77 in chips) Seat 10: Johnnyj580 ($35 in chips) Zobinho: posts small blind $1 AK Dude: posts big blind $2 jstang09: posts big blind $2 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Johnnyj580 [Ah Tc As Qs] Hadji: folds Yun-Harla: folds Johnnyj580: raises $2 to $4 Bloomer: folds lion1961: raises $2 to $6 jstang09: calls $4 DaNuts,Jimmy: folds CaCTus MaK: folds Zobinho: folds AK Dude: folds Johnnyj580: calls $2 *** FLOP *** [9c 6d Kh] Johnnyj580: checks lion1961: bets $2 jstang09: raises $2 to $4 Johnnyj580: calls $4 lion1961: calls $2 *** TURN *** [9c 6d Kh] [5d] Johnnyj580: checks lion1961: checks jstang09: bets $4 Johnnyj580: calls $4 lion1961: calls $4 *** RIVER *** [9c 6d Kh 5d] [9h] Johnnyj580: checks lion1961: checks jstang09: bets $4 Johnnyj580: calls $4 lion1961: calls $4 *** SHOW DOWN *** jstang09: shows [6s Kc 4d Ks] (HI: a full house, Kings full of Nines) Johnnyj580: mucks hand lion1961: mucks hand jstang09 collected $55 from pot No low hand qualified *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $57 | Rake $2 Board [9c 6d Kh 5d 9h] Seat 1: Bloomer folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: lion1961 mucked [Ad 5h 8d Ac] Seat 3: jstang09 showed [6s Kc 4d Ks] and won ($55) with HI: a full house, Kings full of Nines Seat 4: DaNuts,Jimmy folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: CaCTus MaK (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: Zobinho (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 7: AK Dude (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 8: Hadji folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: Yun-Harla folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 10: Johnnyj580 mucked [Ah Tc As Qs] Hand 5: Prime example of hands that are tilting me. What does he like about this flop?!?!? Anyone ever folding this for 1bb on the riv to an aggro moron? PokerStars Game #12931820228: Omaha Hi/Lo Limit ($2/$4) - 2007/10/30 - 02:02:55 (ET) Table 'Markab' 10-max Seat #6 is the button Seat 1: Bloomer ($199 in chips) Seat 2: lion1961 ($36 in chips) Seat 3: jstang09 ($137 in chips) Seat 4: DaNuts,Jimmy ($202 in chips) Seat 5: CaCTus MaK ($94 in chips) Seat 6: Zobinho ($130 in chips) Seat 7: AK Dude ($51 in chips) Seat 8: Hadji ($40.50 in chips) Seat 9: Yun-Harla ($77 in chips) Seat 10: Johnnyj580 ($17 in chips) AK Dude: posts small blind $1 Hadji: posts big blind $2 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Johnnyj580 [Ad Js Qc 4s] Yun-Harla: folds Johnnyj580: calls $2 Bloomer: folds lion1961: raises $2 to $4 jstang09: calls $4 DaNuts,Jimmy: folds CaCTus MaK: folds Zobinho: folds AK Dude: calls $3 Hadji: folds Johnnyj580: calls $2 *** FLOP *** [Td Qs 5h] AK Dude: checks Johnnyj580: bets $2 lion1961: calls $2 jstang09: calls $2 AK Dude: folds *** TURN *** [Td Qs 5h] [Kh] Johnnyj580: bets $4 lion1961: calls $4 jstang09: calls $4 *** RIVER *** [Td Qs 5h Kh] [3h] Johnnyj580: checks lion1961: bets $4 jstang09: calls $4 Johnnyj580: calls $4 *** SHOW DOWN *** lion1961: shows [Ah 8d 3c 2h] (HI: a flush, Ace high) jstang09: mucks hand Johnnyj580: mucks hand lion1961 collected $46 from pot No low hand qualified *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $48 | Rake $2 Board [Td Qs 5h Kh 3h] Seat 1: Bloomer folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: lion1961 showed [Ah 8d 3c 2h] and won ($46) with HI: a flush, Ace high Seat 3: jstang09 mucked [4c Jc 9c Qh] Seat 4: DaNuts,Jimmy folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: CaCTus MaK folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: Zobinho (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: AK Dude (small blind) folded on the Flop Seat 8: Hadji (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 9: Yun-Harla folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 10: Johnnyj580 mucked [Ad Js Qc 4s] Hand 6: Advice please. Raise preflop? Raise flop? I'm never folding this riv again for 1bb w/ 2nd nut low and fairly obvious high that's no good. PokerStars Game #12931853684: Omaha Hi/Lo Limit ($2/$4) - 2007/10/30 - 02:06:26 (ET) Table 'Markab' 10-max Seat #1 is the button Seat 1: Bloomer ($196 in chips) Seat 2: lion1961 ($88.50 in chips) Seat 3: jstang09 ($115 in chips) Seat 4: DaNuts,Jimmy ($184 in chips) Seat 5: CaCTus MaK ($94 in chips) Seat 6: Zobinho ($137 in chips) Seat 7: AK Dude ($37 in chips) Seat 8: Hadji ($37.50 in chips) Seat 9: Yun-Harla ($74 in chips) Seat 10: Johnnyj580 ($50.50 in chips) lion1961: posts small blind $1 jstang09: posts big blind $2 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Johnnyj580 [3c Ac Ks 5s] DaNuts,Jimmy: folds CaCTus MaK: folds Zobinho: folds AK Dude: folds Hadji: folds Yun-Harla: calls $2 Johnnyj580: calls $2 Bloomer: folds lion1961: raises $2 to $4 jstang09: calls $2 Yun-Harla: calls $2 Johnnyj580: calls $2 *** FLOP *** [7c 9c 6h] lion1961: checks jstang09: bets $2 Yun-Harla: folds Johnnyj580: calls $2 lion1961: calls $2 *** TURN *** [7c 9c 6h] [Kd] lion1961: checks jstang09: bets $4 Johnnyj580: calls $4 lion1961: calls $4 *** RIVER *** [7c 9c 6h Kd] [4d] lion1961: checks jstang09: bets $4 Johnnyj580: calls $4 lion1961: calls $4 *** SHOW DOWN *** jstang09: shows [Qh Tc 8s 8d] (HI: a straight, Six to Ten) Johnnyj580: shows [3c Ac Ks 5s] (HI: a straight, Three to Seven; LO: 7,6,4,3,A) lion1961: shows [Ad 5c 4h 2h] (HI: a pair of Fours; LO: 7,6,4,2,A) jstang09 collected $22 from pot lion1961 collected $22 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $46 | Rake $2 Board [7c 9c 6h Kd 4d] Seat 1: Bloomer (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: lion1961 (small blind) showed [Ad 5c 4h 2h] and won ($22) with HI: a pair of Fours; LO: 7,6,4,2,A Seat 3: jstang09 (big blind) showed [Qh Tc 8s 8d] and won ($22) with HI: a straight, Six to Ten Seat 4: DaNuts,Jimmy folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: CaCTus MaK folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: Zobinho folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: AK Dude folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: Hadji folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: Yun-Harla folded on the Flop Seat 10: Johnnyj580 showed [3c Ac Ks 5s] and lost with HI: a straight, Three to Seven; LO: 7,6,4,3,A Hand 7: Hate turn bet? Like as played? PokerStars Game #12931956621: Omaha Hi/Lo Limit ($2/$4) - 2007/10/30 - 02:17:34 (ET) Table 'Markab' 10-max Seat #6 is the button Seat 1: Bloomer ($201 in chips) Seat 2: lion1961 ($77.50 in chips) Seat 3: jen1972 ($40 in chips) Seat 4: DrNoPanties ($80 in chips) Seat 5: CaCTus MaK ($95.50 in chips) Seat 6: Zobinho ($131 in chips) Seat 7: AK Dude ($60.50 in chips) Seat 8: Hadji ($12.50 in chips) Seat 9: Yun-Harla ($67 in chips) Seat 10: Johnnyj580 ($43.50 in chips) AK Dude: posts small blind $1 Hadji: posts big blind $2 DrNoPanties: posts big blind $2 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Johnnyj580 [3h 4h Ah Qc] Yun-Harla: folds Johnnyj580: calls $2 Bloomer: folds lion1961: calls $2 jen1972: folds DrNoPanties: checks CaCTus MaK: folds Zobinho: folds AK Dude: calls $1 Hadji: checks *** FLOP *** [9h 3c 2c] AK Dude: checks Hadji: checks Johnnyj580: checks lion1961: checks DrNoPanties: checks *** TURN *** [9h 3c 2c] [Qs] AK Dude: checks Hadji: checks Johnnyj580: bets $4 lion1961: calls $4 DrNoPanties: calls $4 AK Dude: folds Hadji: folds *** RIVER *** [9h 3c 2c Qs] [2d] Johnnyj580: checks lion1961: checks DrNoPanties: checks *** SHOW DOWN *** Johnnyj580: shows [3h 4h Ah Qc] (HI: two pair, Queens and Threes) lion1961: mucks hand DrNoPanties: shows [Ad 9s 6d Qd] (HI: two pair, Queens and Nines) DrNoPanties collected $21 from pot No low hand qualified *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $22 | Rake $1 Board [9h 3c 2c Qs 2d] Seat 1: Bloomer folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: lion1961 mucked [4s Qh 7h Jh] Seat 3: jen1972 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: DrNoPanties showed [Ad 9s 6d Qd] and won ($21) with HI: two pair, Queens and Nines Seat 5: CaCTus MaK folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: Zobinho (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: AK Dude (small blind) folded on the Turn Seat 8: Hadji (big blind) folded on the Turn Seat 9: Yun-Harla folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 10: Johnnyj580 showed [3h 4h Ah Qc] and lost with HI: two pair, Queens and Threes |
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Re: LO8 - Several Hands that need advice
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maybe there are leaks I'm not seeing. [/ QUOTE ]Gobias - The main leak is table selection. Can't you find better games than some of these rock gardens? I think I'd have to change my normal mode of play considerably to play in those games. (Off hand, I'm not sure exactly how). I'd also have gotten out earlier than you did several times. Not betting the flop in hand #7, was a mistake that might have cost you the whole pot. Hand by hand follows: Hand 1: You’re in big blind with [Td Kh Th 9d] Everyone folds to SB, who raises. You defend. You flop a set of tens with two low cards. SB bets. I’d probably raise on the second betting round and end up losing even more than you did on the hand. Tough luck on the hand. Hand 2: Dealt to Johnnyj580 [Js 3h 2h Jd] on the button. Not a good starting hand. Cut-off, a loose aggressive player, raises. I’d let him have it and find another table. This game is too tight. Distant second choice is three bet. Flop is [7c 2c Ad] and now you’re screwed. You should check/fold to the flop bet. Hand 3: Dealt to Johnnyj580 [2h 9c As 9s] Another tight, aggressive table. Guy in front of you raises, killing the action. I’d be tempted to fold and find another table. Hard to fault your calling. But then you miss the flop and should fold to a flop bet. But there is no flop bet and then you make a bad full house on the turn. And now you’re screwed. Tough luck. Hand 4: I don’t raise with this hand before the flop. I know most people think you should raise with aces from early position, but I don’t. Reasonable starting hand [Ah Tc As Qs], but it has no low. I’d limp and then call the raise but I can’t defend that line of play. You raise from early position, get re-raised and someone calls three bets. Ugly. Then you miss on the flop and there’s too much in the pot to get out easily. And that’s why I don’t like to raise before the flop with this hand. I’d fold to the flop bet, despite the large size of the pot and seemingly great odds you’re getting to continue. Hand 5: Dealt to Johnnyj580 [Ad Js Qc 4s] Not a great starting hand, but I’d play it too. However, not the same as you, pre flop. But I don’t want to discuss pre-flop. *** FLOP *** [Td Qs 5h] You missed the flop. Fold. Get the hell out of this hand before you get in trouble. [ QUOTE ] Anyone ever folding this for 1bb on the riv to an aggro moron? [/ QUOTE ]I don’t get to the river. I fold to the flop bet. However, since you made your inside straight on the turn and the flush was back-door enabled, if I did get to the river I’d call. But you evidently saved a bet by folding. Hand 6: [3c Ac Ks 5s] is a playable starting hand. [ QUOTE ] Raise preflop? [/ QUOTE ]You and I seem to have different styles of play. I don’t think my style is any better than yours. And I vary it. Hard to tell if you do or not. In this particular case, I raise sometimes and limp sometimes. [ QUOTE ] Raise flop? [/ QUOTE ]Yes. I’d probably raise the flop. And then you end up missing high and ending up with 2nd nut low. Ugly bad luck. Hand 7: [3h 4h Ah Qc] is a nice starting hand. [9h 3c 2c] is nice enough flop for you. You must bet this flop! Turn is ugly. And then you miss on the river. [ QUOTE ] Hate turn bet? Like as played? [/ QUOTE ]Turn is fine as played. The turn is not where you made the (two) mistakes on this hand. Would you call a bet on the river? If so, bet it yourself. Maybe nobody has a deuce and all will fold to your bet. If they all fold to your river bet one time out of five, you’re ahead by betting the river. Or if you get called and lose, chalk it up to advertising and change gears. You'll be more likely to get paid off when you bet the river with the nuts. I'd say not betting the flop is your biggest error on hand #7, but not betting the river is another error. Buzz |
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Re: LO8 - Several Hands that need advice
There is not much better online these times than the rock gardens (at least in my experience) if you want to play FR LO8 at these stakes. Full Tilt might be somewhat better to play than stars but full games are even rarer there.
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Re: LO8 - Several Hands that need advice
h1- river I find a fold against the right player, otherwise o.k.
h2- fold turn h3- fold flop h4- fold flop h5- its close and player dependent on overcalling river, but mostly a fold h6- o.k. h7- Bet flop and turn |
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Re: LO8 - Several Hands that need advice
If you're going to post 8 hands, at least run them through a converter.
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Re: LO8 - Several Hands that need advice
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If you're going to post 8 hands, at least run them through a converter. [/ QUOTE ] Ditto. See item #4 in the FAQ: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...p;Main=3179619 |
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