1-table S&Gs - your feedback requested

[The Venetian]

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I would prefer 100/200/25 be changed to 150/300/25 and keep the antes.

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I like the 100/200/25 level. If anything was going to be changed, change the 200/400/25 level to 150/300/25 so that people can't stall you into the 400 big blind, which happens constantly.

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I'm fine with this too, but know that there tends to be hostility toward extending the time of turbos, even if only by a few minutes. My main problem with the 100/200/25 to 200/400/25 is the sudden change from a 10 to a 5 BB stack which needs to be smoothed. I don't really care how they smooth it, just that it happens.

[sippin_criss]

omg do not change the antes, i will pee and poo my pants simultameously if that happens.

[ADLinden]

omg please keep antes.

[bones]

Switch to the old party structure and I won't be able to hide my erection for a week.

[Daleroxxu]

the rake on the turbos is retarded in that the % paid varies greater and lower and greater and lower as you move up the buyins.

when we asked for something between the $25+2s and the $55+5s and you came up with the $32+3s that was pretty disgusting and it's no wonder they never run.

a Hypothetic Rake Restructuring Proposal was proposed here:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...Number=8897240

personaly i'd be happy to see the $25+2 replaced with a $28+2 and the $55+5 replaced with a $56+4

[The Venetian]

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Lower rake universally on SNGs. $30+2, $50+3, $100+5, $200+8 and $500+10 would be better. When basically noone is beating the high-stakes SNGs for more than the rake, it is clearly too high.

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If we want this, and I agree that we do, obviously, we're going to have to find a way to make it beneficial to Stars as well. I'd like to think it would attract more players, but I don't think asking them to make less money is necessarily going to work.

[JacJacAtk]

The 100/200/25 level has always seemed like an oddball to me, replacing it with 150/300 or 150/300/25 would seem to make sense.

Any structure changes are way down the list of importance when compared to the rake progression in the turbos, though. If $15+1 is viable (for Stars), then $30+2, $45+3, and $60+4 should be, too. For that matter, why not just make the total buy-ins more round and go for $14+1, $28+2, $42+3, $56+4, etc.

[Gramps]

Thanks for the thread Bryan, as everyone is mentioning, the stalling is the big issue and has really gotten out of control latey in the 9 and 10 man SNGs. Just no jump from 100/200 to 200/400. Whether that means adding an extra level (150/300) or replacing one of the current 100/200 levels with 150/300 (either no ante for the one 100/200 level, or 100/200 with ante), it would go a long ways.

Stalling on Full Tilt (no BB increase > 33%) and Party (blind increase based on # hands instead of time) are pretty much nonexistent given their structures, which makes for a more pleasant SNG experience for just about everyone.

Edit: and that 150/300 level with w/25 ante for consistency, of course.

[kleath]

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Lower rake universally on SNGs. $30+2, $50+3, $100+5, $200+8 and $500+10 would be better. When basically noone is beating the high-stakes SNGs for more than the rake, it is clearly too high.

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If we want this, and I agree that we do, obviously, we're going to have to find a way to make it beneficial to Stars as well. I'd like to think it would attract more players, but I don't think asking them to make less money is necessarily going to work.

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Imo if rake was reduced and the games were sped up a bit(either through blind levels or tournament time) it could definitely work to achieve a similar or greater amount of revenue.

[Pudge714]

Everything Gramps said and lower rake.