floppin top 2 deep

frtz · #1 10-10-2007, 09:57 AM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($679.87)
Hero ($869.10)
MP ($909.16)
CO ($423.10)
Button ($561.80)
SB ($389.45)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $16, 1 fold, CO calls $16, 2 folds, BB calls $12.

Flop: ($50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets $35, Hero raises to $100, CO folds, Hero thinks this sucks

Turn: ($748.87) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: ($748.87) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $748.87

EDIT: CONVERTER MESSED UP BB PUSHED LDO

villain is 28/21/5.9 and doesnt seem like hes clueless. any1 getting away from it considering that we are 2 stacks deep?

Roy Gonzo · #2 10-10-2007, 10:00 AM

I'm not getting away from any two pair on this flop!

WelshChip · #3 10-10-2007, 10:11 AM

don't raise the flop, and don't call a shove this deep

frtz · #4 10-10-2007, 10:20 AM

why not raise flop? if i dont co might coem along and tehre are lots of cards i dont wanna see.. i mean basically there is 1 hand that beats us :/ (well qq / jj too ldo but they arent very likey)

WelshChip · #5 10-10-2007, 10:22 AM

only problem is he doesn't play many hands like this, when you lose you lose huge, when you have the best hand you don't win much and sometimes fold.

ttgirl · #6 10-10-2007, 10:32 AM

i think his range here is QJ, JJ, QQ, 44, and huge draws. you can call to exercise pot control, but i dont think i fold this and we have top 2 on a fairly drawy board. with that being said, unless hes clueless hes not stacking off with worse.

silenced · #7 10-10-2007, 11:34 AM

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don't raise the flop, and don't call a shove this deep

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wtf this is so incredibly wrong

craig1120 · #8 10-10-2007, 12:15 PM

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don't raise the flop, and don't call a shove this deep

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Get_better_Baris · #9 10-10-2007, 12:24 PM

its -ev for me to ask this and question your strat. but wtf r u guys thinking seriously?
i guess this is why i beat so many 2p2ers and fish.
i cant believe people r agreeing with him
i mean if u guys r scared money and wanna get better equity on the turn vs draws(if u know he'll lead a big draw again once called and u can move all in)or to "trap" kq,aq just say it lol.

craig1120 · #10 10-10-2007, 12:42 PM

I guess it depends on how much more likely you think villain plays 44 like this compared to an A high FD. Calling/Folding can be proven either way based on this. My frequency of 44 here would be much greater as villain in general but could be different for this guy. If he plays his A high FD like this all the time against everyone I think he is spewing pretty badly.

I think playing 44 + combo draws like this is reasonable for villain and I think against this range it's a fold but didn't use pokerstove.