stars 180 turbo...back to back big hands early...same villan

[ssnyc]

very early in Stars turbo 12 180...back to back big hands against same villan (no reads)...lines okay? CR on hand 2 river had me worried but have to call I think? I'm not sure why I donk bet that river if anyone asks!

Hand 1:
Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t10/t20
9 players

UTG: t1500
UTG+1: t1500
Hero: t1500
MP2: t1500
MP3: t1500
CO: t1320
Button: t1720
SB: t1480
BB: t1480

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds
Hero raises to t60
5 folds
BB calls t40

Flop: (t130) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks
Hero bets t100
BB calls t100

Turn: (t330) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks
Hero bets t220
BB folds.
Uncalled bets: t220 returned to Hero.

Final pot: t330


Hand 2:
Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t10/t20
9 players

UTG: t1500
Hero: t1670
MP1: t1500
MP2: t1500
MP3: t1320
CO: t1720
Button: t1470
SB: t1320
BB: t1500

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds
Hero raises to t60
5 folds
SB calls t50
BB folds.

Flop:| (t140) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks
Hero bets t100
SB calls t100

Turn: (t340) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks
Hero bets t220
SB calls t220

River: (t780) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks
Hero bets t300
SB raises all-in t940
Hero calls t640


Final pot: t2660

[bazooka87]

Hand 1 completely fine
Hand 2 is pretty close but I don't know, at these levels you're rarely going to see someone checkraise the river as a bluff so I'd actually lean towards folding. I'd love to hear more input from others though since I'm still fairly new to mtts

[ChipSpeak]

Hand one... A little deep for me to be checking behind on flop/turn if that's what you're thinking... Flop is too scary to check behind, turn has too much value not to bet in a turbo, and we'll gladly take this pot now. Different structure though may be a check behind on flop (if it didn't look like this one) or turn letting him bluff off a few chips on the river.

Hand 2 Again the turbo format kinda keeps our foot to the floor, but that's an ugly turn river combo. It's kinda tough to put him on a hand by his play though, he's raising the flop or turn w J9, T8, sets..hard to put a T that beats us on the turn play, he's definitely not letting us see the river cheap beating us here. cautious TT... ThJh..68...?
In the heat of the moment I would prolly fold cause those cards are so scary, then later struggle to put him on a hand...
easy to say check behind on river (which non turbo is easy), but I am in a different frame of mind in the turbos... push edge hard, sign up for next one.. leak maybe...

[ssnyc]

villan turned over QK off in hand two...called my flop be with no pair or draw and the turn with a gutshot...the best part is he tried to advise me for a while how I misplayed my hand by slowplaying????

I guess the river could have been a fold but chipspeak put it best in that I could not for the life of me put him on a hand given the action...check behind in a turbo given that I had been pounding him for two hands seemed pretty weak also

[bagclip2007]

i cant believe noone said this yet, raise to atleast 80 preflop, i go 100 but i suck sooo

[ssnyc]

usually yes but after the first hand I wanted to keep it consistant and table hadnt been playing to a lot of raises...plus this early I think I can lay them if I have to if we go mutiway

[Daxonovitch]

I wouldn't raise to 80 preflop. All you're doing is broadcasting a big pair. Inexperienced players typically do this as they're afraid to see a multiway flop and make hard decisions later in the hand.

Which line would you rather have:

A) Raise to 80-100, get the pot heads up, *maybe* bust someone with TP vs your overpair, but most likely win a 300 chip pot (and rarely have to fold or make a hard decision).

B) Raise to 50, get a 5 way pot, and have to fold often but occasionally make top set to 2 pair or draws and win a 500 pot commonly and 6500 pot often?

While (B) is the more difficult line, it's going to make you more in the long run.

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Second point: AA right after you win a hand can be worth more than the actual hand is worth. Contrary to what I just said, if you raise a bit more (80-100) with a hand immediately after you've been involved in a pot, you can get a bit more action. If you lost a pot, you're on tilt. If you won a pot, you're a maniac. Both are small human tendencies, and if you are playing against people who are paying attention (typically live), you can extract or build a bit more.