STTF SNG->cash thread

[ChrisV]

Jeckyl,

The ace hands are both fine. Re the TT hand, you really need to post whatever you have on villain with a hand like that.

slimon,

Ditto for the JJ hand. Depending on villain I might do any of folding, calling and reraising. UTG's line is a bit worrying because I would expect draws and 55/77, if they raised at all, to raise larger. 99/TT are very unlikely because they should raise preflop. That leaves two pairs, sets, the straight and random top pairs. If top pairs aren't in his range at all (which I would expect from passive villains) then I'm folding. If top pairs are in his range but he folds them to reraises, I'm calling. If top pairs and other random stuff are in his range and he stacks off with them, only then would I reraise.

For the KK hand, I'd raise a bit more on the flop, $12, on the grounds that it probably won't change his calling range and makes the stack sizes on the turn a bit less awkward. $10 also gives straight draws slightly better odds, but is fine if you think it makes a difference to his calling range. If I didn't think villain would call a $10 raise with worse hands, I'd flat call his bet instead. Less than that and you simply warn him he is beaten while simultaneously giving him odds to call and try to suck out for your stack on the turn.

After you decide to raise the flop, you're committed with the hand unless a queen comes down on the turn. Going broke with overpairs with 100BB generally requires that:

- The board not be too drawish. Never go broke on 987 two of a suit flops with AA. At least wait for the turn to blank before committing a lot of chips.

- The opponent could easily have a hand he thinks is good.

- The opponent isn't hyper-passive.

They all look to apply here, so this is a good spot to go broke with the kings.

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

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Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $51.75
BTN: $68.90
SB: $52.30
Hero (BB): $50.75
UTG: $54.60
MP: $48.70

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG calls $0.50, 3 folds, SB calls $0.25, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.25</font>, UTG calls $1.75, SB calls $1.75

Flop: ($6.75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $5</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $10</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $48.50 and is All-In</font>, UTG calls $38.50

Turn: ($103.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($103.75) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Hmmm I think my mistake is going all in on the flop because the only hands I really beat are 9's, 10's. I didn't think he has Q's+ because he would of 3-bet me right? I am beat by 4's, 8's ,6's,Q's+. A better line on the flop would be to just call his raise and then reevulate on the turn? Aren't most people who mini raise bets donks though thats why I went all in. What would I do I on turn if I just called his mini raise?

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I don't think your hand is strong enough to go all in with. Maybe c/c line once raised???

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

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Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $55.80
Hero (CO): $62.20
BTN: $54.85
SB: $145.65
BB: $16.40

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $1.50, BB folds

Flop: ($4) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $4</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14</font>, SB calls $10

Turn: ($32) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $25</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $50</font>, Hero calls $21.45 and is All-In

River: ($124.90) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Is this standard? On the flop he could have AQ, set of 7's or 5's or 86s. I still can't tell when are you suppose to go broke with a overpair and when you aren't suppose to. The turn is a good card because no straight hit. Probably raise more on the flop?

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looks good to me, but I'm still learning

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

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For now what are the crucial stats I need for pokerace? I have VPIP,Preflop Raise, Total Agression postflop, Total Hands, Fold Contiunation Bet, Attempted to Steal, Calls continuation Bet, and Continuation Bet.

I don't need calls Continuation Bet right because I already have folds continuation bet? They are pretty much the same?Also continuation bet means when they continuation bet right?

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I like having all three of these:
- folds to Cbet
- calls Cbet
- raises Cbet

No - calls and folds to Cbet are not the same and not the inverse of each other.

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Where do you guys have these stats, on the screen or when you double click? I have a ton of double clicks stats, but, I have not fully learned to use double click b/c there are so man stats in there (which I set up) and it is over whelming...

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

SB ($165.25)
jb ($50.50)
UTG ($22.25)
MP ($67.60)
CO ($50)
Button ($50)

Preflop: jb is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $3.5</font>, jb...?


UTG is 45/24/4 55 hands
SB is 35/17/2 171 hands

I feel like my hand is probably good against both villains ranges (although SB hasn't 3-bet much at all) but I really hate this spot with the shorty still to act behind me.

General thoughts on situations like this, factors I should be considering, etc.?

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I would probably just call and hope utg does not reraise. You will be oop post flop vs utg. I think at this point I am playing for a set.

[cha59]

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For now what are the crucial stats I need for pokerace? I have VPIP,Preflop Raise, Total Agression postflop, Total Hands, Fold Contiunation Bet, Attempted to Steal, Calls continuation Bet, and Continuation Bet.

I don't need calls Continuation Bet right because I already have folds continuation bet? They are pretty much the same?Also continuation bet means when they continuation bet right?

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I like having all three of these:
- folds to Cbet
- calls Cbet
- raises Cbet

No - calls and folds to Cbet are not the same and not the inverse of each other.

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Where do you guys have these stats, on the screen or when you double click? I have a ton of double clicks stats, but, I have not fully learned to use double click b/c there are so man stats in there (which I set up) and it is over whelming...

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I added those three to my screen so I can always see them. Go to Options, Layout Manager, pick the correct site, then click on the drop down menu thingy to find those stats. Click the box that says "visible" then move the little boxes to where you want them.

F U Cash Games stealin my moniez

[Scuba Chuck]

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($109.40)
Hero ($174)
Button ($139.25)
SB ($35)
BB ($156.90)
UTG ($41.75)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG calls $4.

Flop: ($11.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, UTG calls $8.

Turn: ($27.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: ($27.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $17</font>

Villain is 53/3/1.4 over 75 hands.

[Scuba Chuck]

These games are always hyper aggressive.
Button is 23/19, not worried about SB.
If SB doesn't call, I fold here.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($200)
MP ($276.80)
CO ($357.10)
Button ($203)
SB ($228.90)
Hero ($243.60)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, Button raises to $7, SB calls $6, Hero raises to $32...

[Scuba Chuck]

I've been in a few of these spots lately, you play the same?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($51.20)
Hero ($120.50)
UTG ($131.90)
MP ($69.05)
CO ($110.30)
Button ($129.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $3</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $2.50, Hero calls $2.

Flop: ($9) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $3</font>, Hero calls $3, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $13</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $120.5 (All-In)</font>, CO calls $94.30 (All-In).