Dramatics! Neverwin Stars Busto? Collateral Damage?

[byronkincaid]

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WHY IS THIS THREAD REHASHING STUPID [censored] ABOUT NEWHIZZLE AND BRANDI? LOOK AT THE TITLE OF THE THREAD.

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QFMFT

to wit, here's some drama from the last page

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Going back to the actual OP, I think what Stars did to Neverwin is totally bogus. If they want to make this rule, fine, but I don't think they should lock his account without warning.

Also, if they are going to do this, I would like them to send everyone an email explicitly stating their new policy. I would like to know if that means for instance, BK is over at my place, I should not allow him to login to his account from my computer, or what? Stars is my present livelihood and I do not want to jeopardize that.

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i dont know what all those guys are complaining about they are lucky to have just their accounts closed considering what theyve done (and i dont mean sharing accounts)

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the masses demand blood, spill it

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[apefish]

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You all had wanted to see a trainwreck and that's what you got. Or to be more accurate, that's what you caused.


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Um no.
When you realize why statements like that one don't work you will be in a very clear headed place.
I do wish you the best of luck and hope things go well.


Can we now return to regularly scheduled programming?

[Johnny#5]

For RAPT0R CHRIST'S sake would a mod please split off all the brandi [censored]?

thinly disguised bump

[newhizzle]

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Mark... instead of continuing to trash me here... let's meet up and discuss an agreement about the money

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tried to text u a while back, pm me ur new number

[Bulletproof Monk]

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I know I'm about to be publicly hanged for anything I write on here. In all honesty, I know it's even deserved. My life has been a ticking time bomb until a few months ago. I made a lot of poor decisions and used bad judgement.

I didn't know how to handle my life all the sudden being all over the internet. After Festa, any little thing I did was reported and splashed all over forums. Everything. Camera phone pics were taken of me making out with the person I was dating at the time. In Niagara Falls of all places! The fact that I took a shower during my dinner break at a WSOP event and came back wearing different clothes. It's sick really. And it can be a bit overwhelming. I did not (and still to this day) know how to handle it.

For a few months, I did go a bit crazy. I drank a lot. I got involved with the wrong people. I made poor choices. And yet the entire time, I could not escape being bad mouthed and criticized. That just exacerbated my frame of mind and all the stress I was under. Family, friends, and practically everyone who is a part of my life had to deal with it as well. They could not understand the ammount of hate I received (and continue to receive) or what exactly I had done to deserve it.

You all had wanted to see a trainwreck and that's what you got. Or to be more accurate, that's what you caused. I think it's easy for you to stare out at someone from the outside and have your opinions, to hide behind your computer screen and make judgements about someone's life. I've never understood it, but I don't hold grudges. I know that my actions and the way I conducted myself at the time brought a lot of it on myself.

Over the past year, I've grown a lot and matured. My skin has become a bit thicker. The insults don't insult me anymore. It's a funny thing that the only people who continue to insult me are people who do not even know me or have only met me once (during the time when my life was in ruins and I was an emotional wreck).

Despite what is written here, I am well liked and respected by the top people in my field. They are who I spend my time with. They are who I hang out with for drinks and attend dinners and parties with. Even Mr. Newhouse, who continually trashes me on this forum, is pleasant to me and speaks to me in person. We have exchanged brief greetings every time we have seen eachother. There has not been any heated arguments or drama. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I feel that we both knew we made mistakes and just want to let bygones be bygones. If I am wrong, Mark... instead of continuing to trash me here... let's meet up and discuss an agreement about the money. I've been open to that for some time now. You know where I'm staying. I have no problem sitting down with you or grabbing a drink and clearing things up.

I know that writing this is not going to change anyone's opinion of me. I did a lot of stupid things, which by age and experience I have since learned from. I was a goofball and being silly and had let someone take that ridiculous picture of me. I had no idea that it would be all over the internet and people would think that I am a whore or an attention whore or trashy. I never took into account how others would perceive my actions. Now I do. When I had made another poor decision involving Captain Tom, I didn't know how to handle it. I made the mistake of posting something online because I thought maybe I could get some support or advice or my money back. All that backfired. So I now keep my mouth shut about my grievances with other people and don't publicly air dirty laundry in the poker world. There's no point. If something happens in my life now, I keep it to myself or the very few around me who I can trust to advise me. Most of all, I learn from my mistakes.

You can say what you like about me. Only time will change anyone's opinions on here. I also understand that some opinions may never change. My biggest hero in life, my father, once told me something very important... He said "Be who you are and speak who you are; Because the people who matter don't mind, and the people who mind don't matter."

Those words keep me strong now. I've had to learn the hard way about who matters and who doesn't. I've had to face a lot of betrayals over the past year. It's enough to tear anyone down, but I'm still standing. I feel sorry for any woman my age who is a part of this industry. I've watched two others whose lives are now in ruin. Lucky for me, I've been able to come out of it all... unscathed and not jaded, but definitely more guarded.

As for poker, this is my passion. I may not be the best player in the world, but I am working on it every day. This year, you will only see more of me as I am playing a lot more tournaments. The other night I cashed 10th place (which paid the same as 9th since everyone agreed to a chop to pay 10th as well) in the Legends of Poker's 1K Omaha Hi-Lo Event. It was my first split tournament and I had played short stacked the entire event.

I now know how to play every game. I am no longer studying with anyone. And I'm excited for the months ahead.

The only thing I don't appreciate is seeing other people (who personally know me and who I am as a person) be continually berated for saying anything positive about my conduct. I also thank those of you who write nice things and thus give me the positive feelings and encouragement in an industry that for a woman can be both disheartening and depressing.

Either way, I like to wish everyone here a prosperous upcoming months and send out some good luck.

~ Brandi Hawbaker

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If it makes you feel any better, there exists idiots that believe you [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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well then....

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nice post brandi

[AndyatSD]

Good thread. Very entertaining.

On a side note, SavageGamble's account is un-frozen so it looks like while it still seems like Neverwin's account got banned, everyone else's will be un-frozen once they provide the information Pokerstars is looking for.

I'm really curious how this happened though. Mainly, who did Neverwin agitate so much to trigger all this? [no, I don't think it's Mark]

~andy

[Dids]

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Good thread. Very entertaining.

On a side note, SavageGamble's account is un-frozen so it looks like while it still seems like Neverwin's account got banned, everyone else's will be un-frozen once they provide the information Pokerstars is looking for.

I'm really curious how this happened though. Mainly, who did Neverwin agitate so much to trigger all this? [no, I don't think it's Mark]

~andy

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To continue my FTP bashing, note that this took like what, less than 72 hours?

[DrewDevil]

Brandi, I don't care what anyone else says, I think your [censored] are nice.

[pernicus53]

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sigh. i wonder how you've managed to deduce im an awful person, lol. more people than you are aware of actually do know who i am here and would attest otherwise. but i dont need to prove my character to you. you're only comment to me was a one-line insult. you're the exact type of person im talking about in all my above posts. your posting history is littered with comments about crazy porn chicks, hot 3way action, and sex in public restrooms. im sure you're the authority on judging women's character.

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The type of people you referred to "in all (your) above posts" are surely present here. The attitudes toward women on NVG can be appalling (though it's really attitudes toward particular women who catch the boards' attention--I'd shed no tear for Brandi). However, the attitude in general isn't the stuff of special awards for compassion. To some extent I think some of the posters are letting sides of themselves that are genuinely bad come through while they hide behind their keyboards. But I think a lot of the putdowns, glib judgments, excessive sarcasm, etc. are just throwaway comments. I'm referring, of course, to general comments on this forum, not just those about women. I'm not judging any of the PEOPLE on the forum, just their comments (big difference). Anyone who would ask for examples could land on any thread and not have to look far.

[TStoneMBD]

to those riding the wave of drama and media scrutiny, good luck digging a foot hole in the poker community to go on to live prosperous lives. the attention youve received can and has assisted you in trying to attain your goals. so while there are downsides to remaining under scrutiny, youve likely benefited greatly from it. look at the great life that has been handed to paris hilton, just because shes america's favorite train wreck.

brandi, if anything, you seem rather genuine about clearing up your name and image which is at least a start in the right direction. while i cant fault you if you opt to turn your life into a circus act to benefit off the gifts of fame, you should be trying to succeed in the poker world based on your skill as a poker player. i respect the fact that you at least appear to be studying and taking the game seriously, which is certainly an appearance that most players dont seem to have these days.

jennfox, youre right that this forum can be quite chauvinistic, but that has alot to do with how woman have acted in the poker world for years and years. in media driven fields, being photogenic and sexually attractive gets you things that take skillful and determined people much longer to get. brandi is not a skillful enough poker player to warrant the attention shes received, she has only gotten it because of her fix in the limelight. there have only been a handful of women who have ever turned out to be skilled poker players, deserving of their media attention. most women entering the poker world try to make it to the top by sitting in front of mirrors wondering how theyll pose the next time a camera is in their face. now i have nothing against women, and i certainly dont think that men were born with a greater propensity to learn poker than women. however, i respect the people who dedicate themselves to learn this game and are set out to truly earn their fruits the right way. unfortunately, most people want everything the easy way and because media attention in a media driven field can deliver that, attractive girls are put in a situation where theyre likely to get ahead quicker if they spend more time straightening their hair than hitting the books. now like i said, i dont fault people for taking advantage of whatever media attention they can get, and if i was brandi i would probably capitalize on the attention shes received as much as she has, if not moreso. but when you factor in that most people are jealous of the fame that brandi has received for the reasons shes received it, you can now see where and why chauvinism starts to develop. most humans are bad at putting themselves in the shoes of others and are bad at recognizing that they would likely do similar things if they were put in the same circumstance as others. the result is a collective people frustrated with a system and therefore take their anger out on those who benefit from it.

schneids, thanks for swimming upstream and trying to keep this thread true to its title. sorry that i swam with the current.