$10R -- KK very deep stacked.

[Ryanb9]

Average stack is 12k, Guy who shoved is a decently lag player ... however that probably has little to do with his range of what he's shoving here.... And if it helps, OPR says he has 10k winnings and -25% ROI on stars (nlhe mtt's)


Well, when the action got to me I thought for a while because I wanted to think about their hand ranges and what the best amount for me to bet would be, but then I remembered something from Sklansky’s (sp) nl holdem theory which stated (although about cash games I think MIGHT?? apply here: (and im not quoting)


If you have a big hand, you should bet one of two ways:

1. A "small, strength hiding bet" which doesn’t give away the strength of your hand and still gets money in the pot.
2. A “big, hand defining bet” which gives away the strength of your hand – BUT doesn’t give your opponents the correct implied odds to draw out on you.

So, that in mind, I decided to make it 4.5x the mini raise (no reads on what the mini raise meant btw) I honestly went into my time bank here.... about 30 seconds. I mean wtf.... can I seriously fold here? I have been thinking about it for a while


PokerStars Game #11511454966: Tournament #57909117, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/08/15 - 23:36:06 (ET)
Table '57909117 42' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: JOEJOEMUSH (22415 in chips)
Seat 2: Nickoli2 (15650 in chips)
Seat 3: Pure-Pako (9085 in chips)
Seat 4: Constant (19175 in chips)
Seat 5: pstarfish (14095 in chips)
Seat 6: Rambaldi33 (21070 in chips)
Seat 7: ryanb9 (26190 in chips)
Seat 8: GameOverXXX (12240 in chips)
JOEJOEMUSH: posts small blind 100
Nickoli2: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ryanb9 [Ks Kc]
Pure-Pako: folds
Constant: raises 200 to 400
pstarfish: folds
Rambaldi33: calls 400
McRiverson is connected
ryanb9: raises 1400 to 1800
GameOverXXX: folds
JOEJOEMUSH: raises 20615 to 22415 and is all-in
Nickoli2: folds
Constant: folds
Rambaldi33: folds
ryanb9: calls 20615
*** FLOP *** [4s 3h Qs]
JOEJOEMUSH said, "hold for me"
*** TURN *** [4s 3h Qs] [7d]
*** RIVER *** [4s 3h Qs 7d] [9c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
JOEJOEMUSH: shows [Ac Ad] (a pair of Aces)
ryanb9: shows [Ks Kc] (a pair of Kings)



One thing to note is that when the action got to him he took about .5-1.5 seconds to shove all in.

So, yes – of course I figured his range was wider than AA. He was not the best player and had been very active. In the order of what hands I thought he most likely had from greatest to least:

AK
AA
QQ

Now, (I didn’t think of this at the time), I have two Kings in my hand. This means that AK is much less likely of a holding. This would make me have to drop AK probably to the bottom of the list (could someone show me how to do the math of how this effects the # of AK/AA/QQ hands there are left). This would then (in compilation with his quick shove) make the list look like this:

AA
AK/QQ

Thus making me lean towards folding. I think I have actually learned a lot just by writing this all out lol, however any additional input would be great

[valenzuela]

Easy call.

[Dunkman]

I would have snap called expecting to see AK a whole lot.

[helter skelter]

Well, look at this

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 57.169% 54.59% 02.57% 1598896 75383.50 { KcKs }
Hand 1: 42.831% 40.26% 02.57% 1178995 75383.50 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.035% 46.14% 03.90% 1058273 89342.50 { KcKs }
Hand 1: 49.965% 46.07% 03.90% 1056651 89343.00 { QQ+ }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 22.585% 15.57% 07.02% 192184 86678.00 { KcKs }
Hand 1: 77.415% 70.40% 07.02% 869177 86678.00 { KK+ }

You should only fold if you are sure he has KK+