father and son on same table

[jogsxyz]

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Joe Sebok and Barry Greenstein have been assigned to the same table. The has happened to them in the past, and an annoyed Sebok asked the floorstaff when the next table draw would be. Its not until 18.

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So much for random draw. The TD should be allowed to
separate them.

[AngusThermopyle]

Why?
Only five tables left.
You saying that a 1 in 5 draw cannot be random?
If they both make the final table, the TD should tell Sebok he is out 9th so he won't have a "problem".

[CincyLady]

Doyle and his son Todd have been at the same table before, and from what I can see, Doyle finds it great fun to play against his son.

So, why is Greenstine whining here? I mean I can understand if he doesn't like to play against his son (my own son is a Maniac player, and his wife and myself refuse to at cash games to sit at the same table as him, but a tourney is another thing), if he doesn't like his son's playing style or something, but it's all part of the game sometimes when you have to play at the same table against a friend a relative in a Tourney.

BTW, is Sebok, Greenstine's Step son or something? Why doesn't Sebok have Greenstine's last name?

[jogsxyz]

It's all about appearances. Poker must be above
suspicion. We in the poker world know they will
play hard against each other. But those on the
outside pass the laws. And they don't know.

[THAY3R]

Dude just stop posting.

[jogsxyz]

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Dude just stop posting.

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You haven't thought this through. Obviously no
one thinks Sebok and Greenstein will soft play
each other. The problem arises when a backer
and a stake are on the this table. Men 'the master'
on the same table as one of his stakes. Accusations
have been flying.

[ZeeJustin]

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Doyle and his son Todd have been at the same table before, and from what I can see, Doyle finds it great fun to play against his son.

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That's not the case. Doyle was at my starting table in the 50k HORSE. 10 minutes in, someone asked who the empty seat belonged to, and the floor found out it was Todd's seat.

The floor said they can only switch family at the start of the tournament. They can't do it mid tournament because it creates an unfair advantage. For example, it is advantageous for Barry and Joe (both obviously strong players) to want to be at different tables, thus decreasing their chances of being at a tough table.

Doyle was extremely mad (although polite, don't get me wrong). He explained that it was literally impossible to not softplay your own son, even if you are trying not to. The TD was willing to listen, and decided he could make an exception since Todd had not yet sat down at the table. When he arrived 20 minutes later, he was moved.

P.S. BRUTAL finish for Joe [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] He had to lose two 70/30's to finish 7th. This is the 2nd time he's finished 7th in a WPT. I've finished 7th too, and I can tell you it SUCKS to bubble the TV table, especially when it takes two bad beats to happen.

[snagglepuss]

joe did take some nasty beats. but he really spewed off a loaaad of chips.

when he 3bet in the 66 hand to ten billion chips i thought "wow wtf is he doing?" and then when he got shoved on by someone left to act it was just like "lol gotcha".

also i hated his river shove "valueshove"/bluff against SJL. it looked like a complete blowup to me. he looked like he wanted to throw up after those two hands, and rightly so, as he was over 2M w/ 14 people left.

i had the nut table draw avoiding schneider, pham, and harrington, but frustratingly never got the chips under me to take advantage of it.

[CincyLady]

I don't think what Doyle said is true (about it being impossible to soft play against your own son), I know for me, I hate playing at the same table as my son, because the opposite happens. He's a bit of a maniac player, and we end up playing hyper agressive against each other. One way or the other, one of us normally ends up knocking the other out.

As for Doyle, I guess I was watching some thing on TV, where he was at the same table as his son, and he bluffed him, and got away with it. He really seemed to enjoy the fact he was outplaying his son there.

[JoeSchmo]

So if you're Joe Sebok, you should get the luxury of never having to face Barry Greenstein early in a tournament? Genius.