200nl ATs two pair facing shove

wrschultz · #1 03-03-2007, 01:48 AM

Villain is an unknown and I have been at this table for only about 15 hands. I don't even have any hud stats at this point, but he has been limping a lot and seems generally bad.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($235.05)
MP ($108.50)
CO ($189.90)
Hero ($446.35)
SB ($225.10)
BB ($174.85)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, CO calls $2, Hero raises to $10, 2 folds, CO calls $8.

Flop: ($23) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $14, CO calls $14.

Turn: ($51) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $32, CO calls $32.

River: ($115) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets $133.9 (All-In), Hero??

benlj21 · #2 03-03-2007, 01:55 AM

I say fold.

Better Than U · #3 03-03-2007, 01:57 AM

Fold against an unknown. At least that's what somebody told me a couple days ago. Maybe things have changed.

willw9 · #4 03-03-2007, 01:57 AM

More on flop, more on turn, fold river.

shpanko · #5 03-03-2007, 01:58 AM

That's harsh, I think it's a fold. Overbet shoves on the river are generally teh nutz in these games. I'd be more inclined to call if the river was something like 9h

shpanko · #6 03-03-2007, 01:59 AM

Agree, I like a bet/fold of 42ish on the turn and atleast 17 on teh flop

Hince · #7 03-03-2007, 02:00 AM

This flop lead is usually a big hand that doesn't want to be checked through. Therefore, I would fold.

shpanko · #8 03-03-2007, 02:21 AM

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This flop lead is usually a big hand that doesn't want to be checked through. Therefore, I would fold.

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Leveled?

wrschultz · #9 03-03-2007, 02:27 AM

I think one of the biggest problems I have is with bet sizing. I usually just go with 60-75% as a standard but I always see so many of you advocating 80% or more...

I used to believe that you always had to make the same sized cbet, but I am really starting to think that robotic style is crap. I think that you should vary your cbet size, and frequency based on your hand and your opponent's tendencies.

Against a particular player I think you should probably make a different sized bet with AK vs 88 on a T32 flop for example, but I don't really know what is optimal or how to figure it out.

(sorry for rambling)