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Old 11-23-2007, 10:15 AM
Profish2285 Profish2285 is offline
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Default KK vs short stack

No reads or stats. I think this is a call against a short stack but its probably close either way.

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

MP ($50)
CO ($60.75)
<font color="#C00000">Button ($29.70)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($54.25)</font>
BB ($49.75)
<font color="#C00000">UTG ($10)</font>

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.75</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $2.

Flop: ($5.75) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3.8</font>, Button calls $3.80.

Turn: ($13.35) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $9.4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $23.4 (All-In)</font>, Hero....
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Old 11-23-2007, 10:28 AM
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Default Re: KK vs short stack

I think its a call, a shorty here could easily have just a Q. Also, if you are up against 2 pair/set/straight you still have a few outs to win/split the pot.
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Old 11-23-2007, 10:30 AM
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Default Re: KK vs short stack

Snapcall. You're probably behind alot but you're getting like 3.5:1.
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Old 11-23-2007, 10:43 AM
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Default Re: KK vs short stack

Sorry for the noobish questions, just when I lose every hand I play I start to re think em.
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Old 11-23-2007, 11:12 AM
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Default Re: KK vs short stack

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Snapcall. You're probably behind alot but you're getting like 3.5:1.

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I agree. ERven against QJ we have about 27% Equity and he's prolly pushing soem of the pair + OESD combos as well.
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Old 11-23-2007, 11:18 AM
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Default Re: KK vs short stack

I would bet more on the flop. I think I call here, but folding really isn't bad IMO.

BEST case scenario is AQ here.. but this really looks like QQ or JJ to me more than anything.
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Old 11-23-2007, 11:25 AM
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Default Re: KK vs short stack

This is almost never a bluff. Villain usually thinks he has the winning hand. I think this would have been a tougher call with AQ, but with K's I think you have to call.
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Old 11-23-2007, 11:26 AM
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Default Re: KK vs short stack

I feel like QQ and JJ are raising from the button, or at least limp-raising, no? My best guess is QJ, J9, Q9, or QT, JT, but two pair seems more likely. Maybe 50% two pair, 40% pair + oesd, 10% random cards we beat? Anybody care to comment on that range?
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Old 11-23-2007, 11:28 AM
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Hand 0: 72.194% 72.06% 00.13% 51365 95.00 { KdKh }
Hand 1: 27.806% 27.67% 00.13% 19725 95.00 { 99, 44, AQs, KQs, QJs, Q9s, J9s+, AQo, KQo, QJo, Q9o, J9o+ }

We have &gt; 25% equity against a very generous range for a half-stack. Easy call.
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Old 11-23-2007, 11:29 AM
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I feel like QQ and JJ are raising from the button, or at least limp-raising, no? My best guess is QJ, J9, Q9, or QT, JT, but two pair seems more likely. Maybe 50% two pair, 40% pair + oesd, 10% random cards we beat? Anybody care to comment on that range?

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Against a full stack I would smaller the pair + oesd part, but against a shorstack it prolly is a good assumption. But I think I'm stil giving him a tad more Two pairs than pair+oesd (solely based on Baluga, but I'm falling for this anyways, so I might not be correct).
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