5/10: value?

[GrandMelon]

Too thin vs an unknown? What about 200/call a shove?

Poker Stars, $5/$10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG+2: $3,983
MP1: $1,024
MP2: $1,000
CO: $1,599.75
Hero (BTN): $1,037
SB: $161.25
BB: $1,352
UTG: $401.25
UTG+1: $649.25

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
5 folds, CO calls $10, <font color="red">Hero raises to $40</font>, 2 folds, CO calls $30

Flop: ($95) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
CO checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $70</font>, CO calls $70

Turn: ($235) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
CO checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $170</font>, CO calls $170

River: ($575) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
CO checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $390</font>

[futuredoc85]

good bet, i dont think 200 call a hove is good here as i havent seen the kind of aggression in these games that warrants lines like that vs unknowns.

edit: maybe even a little smaller

[sambo_888]

sometimes i will check behind here however i cant see him having an 8 here so i think you are in the lead. Sets/ two pair/ straights will raise either flop or turn. I personally put him busted flush draw or JTd

from what i'v seen playing 5/10, 200/call a shove won't work often enough for it to be profitable.

[ActionStan]

I'm not clear what you beat that he can call with that he didn't raise with pre? JT seem like about it. Am I missing something?

[futuredoc85]

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I'm not clear what you beat that he can call with that he didn't raise with pre? JT seem like about it. Am I missing something?

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JXd, QdX, TT, 99. Vs someone who open- limp/calls the cutoff im assuming they are bad/stationy and letting them decide what they can call with. Lots of hands can put melon on AdX/KdX and call here.

[ActionStan]

Thanks.

So, JT, J9, QT, Q9, TT maybe, 99 maybe.

[futuredoc85]

right, also keep in mind that villain rarely has us beat when he gets there like this.

[ActionStan]

Thanks again. So he has to have something like 9d8, Td8 or Jd8 + the occasional super slow played monster to beat us. Our loss is capped, so it's less of a concern. Add this up and we get a thin value bet.

[Renton]

i would bet fold for 290.

[SgtJake]

I've only played about 2000 hands at 5/10 so I'm not really qualified to critique. Having said that, $290 (and especially $390) seems to turn hero's hand into a total bluff against anyone with a pulse. Unknown usually = donk, and donks will sometimes call with less, but we don't know for sure if villain sucks. And if villain got to this point with AQ+, he aint folding for $290 or $390. Seems to me checking is better.

Please to explain why I'm wrong Rent.