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Old 11-03-2007, 12:11 AM
sillysal sillysal is offline
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Default Re: Fulltilt froze my account with 47 grand in it

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A conclusion to this case has been reached and the player has been informed of our decision. While we can't share the details of the investigation with the community in general, we would be willing to share some findings with Mike Haven or some other respected mod.

Sean

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My post now changes from FTP froze my money to FTP STOLE my money.

I have been falsely accused, convicted and prosecuted without seeing a speck of evidence. FTP's decision is complete and final.

Please moderators, if you have any sense of fairness and a desire to be true to your community you need to contact me.

I have written each of you a letter and I hope to hear from you soon.

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Is there a reason you opted not to simply ctrl-c, ctrl-v, post? It takes less than two seconds.

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The fact that SillySal has not cut and pasted the email that she recieved from Full Tilt (which would have taken all of five seconds) does not speak well for her case, especially considering the fact that I pm'd her and suggested she do it (a pm which she ignored despite the fact that I got a read receipt). If I had to hazard a guess I'd say that FT called her out on whatever it was that she was doing in their email to her, and thats why she doesn't want to post it.

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Gee jamn220, sorry I didn't reply in your time frame. Needless to say this has taken a bit of my concentration and numerous phone calls to Attorneys I know and others who may be able to help me in getting my money back. Please forgive me for the time lapse.

After an extensive investigation into the activity on your account, we
have determined that you are using automated artificial intelligence
software to gain an advantage over other players.

This is a direct violation of clause #9 in our site terms at:
http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/site-terms

Please note that the length of the investigation was due to the numerous
characteristics that need to be assessed when making this type of
determination.

As previously mentioned, in order to protect the integrity of this
investigation and those in the future, we will not be releasing the
evidence in this case. We can tell you that during the course of the
investigation we reviewed and assessed detailed hand histories and
playing patterns to come to our final decision.

Your Full Tilt Poker account will remain permanently closed and the
remaining funds will be used to reimburse the victims of your use of
automated artificial intelligence software.

You are no longer welcome to play at Full Tilt Poker.

Regards,

Jeremy E
Security and Fraud
Full Tilt Poker
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Old 11-03-2007, 12:11 AM
MicroBob MicroBob is offline
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Default Re: Fulltilt froze my account with 47 grand in it

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If OP was really cheating, I wouldn't think she would keep that much $$$ in her account.

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zeejustin had even more in his accounts when he was doing the illegal multi-accounting thing.
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Old 11-03-2007, 12:13 AM
TheEye TheEye is offline
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Default Re: Fulltilt froze my account with 47 grand in it

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A conclusion to this case has been reached and the player has been informed of our decision. While we can't share the details of the investigation with the community in general, we would be willing to share some findings with Mike Haven or some other respected mod.

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So did they forward any info to a mod that can confirm at least whether there is any basis behind FTP's actions?
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Old 11-03-2007, 12:14 AM
Johny Poker Johny Poker is offline
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Default Re: Fulltilt froze my account with 47 grand in it

You guys are jumping the gun, she will respond shortly.
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Old 11-03-2007, 12:18 AM
_dave_ _dave_ is offline
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If OP was really cheating, I wouldn't think she would keep that much $$$ in her account.

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zeejustin had even more in his accounts when he was doing the illegal multi-accounting thing.

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Bob,

in that case Justin thought he was doing nothing wrong.

In no way conceivable could one run an automated bot while out for an expensive meal (or whatever) without at least suspecting you may be busted.
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Old 11-03-2007, 12:18 AM
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Default Re: Fulltilt froze my account with 47 grand in it

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So did they forward any info to a mod that can confirm at least whether there is any basis behind FTP's actions?

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Yeah!

3 hours ago, FTPSean said he'd be willing to share any info with mods. None have yet posted in this thread with any confirmation.


That doesn't bode well for FTP.....




Of course, as was just demonstrated, thinking more or less of people because they didn't reply instantly is absurd. Let's remember that the real world doesn't move on internet discussion forum speed.
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Old 11-03-2007, 12:19 AM
Johny Poker Johny Poker is offline
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FTP's terms of service state:
In the event that Full Tilt Poker deems that a player has engaged in fraudulent, unlawful, dishonest or improper activity while playing in our games or tournaments, including without limitation, engaging in any of the activities set forth above or any other game manipulation, or the making of any fraudulent payment, including without limitation, use of a stolen credit card or fraudulent chargeback or money laundering, Full Tilt Poker shall be entitled to take such action as it sees fit, including immediately blocking access to our games and tournaments, terminating the player’s Full Tilt Poker account, seizing all monies held in the relevant Full Tilt Poker "real money account", disclosing such information (including the identity of the player) to banks, credit card companies and/or any person or entity that has the legal right to such information, and/or taking legal action against such player.

So they can take your money and their decision is final? With no evidence? Or evidence that only they get to see? Who in their right mind would want to be subject to this? We want to see some evidence. I will never play on this joke of a site again.
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Old 11-03-2007, 12:21 AM
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So,

It would seem Sal has been accused/tried/convicted of botting by FTP.

Sal: are you running anything that may have triggered a false positive? AHK / AutoIT / Vista voice control etc?
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Old 11-03-2007, 12:21 AM
Josem Josem is offline
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"automated artificial intelligence software"

to clarify - that means a bot that actually allegedly played for sillysal, right?

it doesn't mean data mining while not playing, does it?
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Old 11-03-2007, 12:23 AM
MicroBob MicroBob is offline
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Default Re: Fulltilt froze my account with 47 grand in it

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So did they forward any info to a mod that can confirm at least whether there is any basis behind FTP's actions?

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Yeah!

3 hours ago, FTPSean said he'd be willing to share any info with mods. None have yet posted in this thread with any confirmation.


That doesn't bode well for FTP.....




Of course, as was just demonstrated, thinking more or less of people because they didn't reply instantly is absurd. Let's remember that the real world doesn't move on internet discussion forum speed.

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I don't think that aspect reflects badly on FT.
Sean said he would be willing to share the info with a mod.
That doesn't mean he has done that yet. He is likely waiting to hear from the mod that he is okay with that.

He doesn't want to suddenly put Mike Haven right into the middle of this mess without even having asked him.

For the FT/Mike Haven side of the story I think that's going to require Mike's approval and for that he kind of needs to actually be online which he likely isn't right now.
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