KJ FROM SB .25/.50

ThaDodinski · #1 10-01-2007, 06:52 PM

The pf raiser in this hand raised 100% of hands pf. Is there any room for improvement here? In my last post, you guys told me to donk the flop in a similar situation, so I suppose I should have done that here, as well.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG checks, MP checks, CO raises, 1 fold, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG folds, MP folds.

Flop: (8 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO bets, Hero calls, BB folds.

Turn: (5 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, CO calls.

River: (12 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 16 BB

RemyXO · #2 10-01-2007, 07:14 PM

Check-raise the flop and it's not even close.

ThaDodinski · #3 10-01-2007, 07:18 PM

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Check-raise the flop and it's not even close.

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check/raise? why? what am I trying to protect my hand against?

Aaron W. · #4 10-01-2007, 07:21 PM

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Check-raise the flop and it's not even close.

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check/raise? why? what am I trying to protect my hand against?

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Why do we always somehow end up on hand protection?

Point Blank · #5 10-01-2007, 07:21 PM

i probably donk the flop
that board is semi-connected and a lot of draws will be calling ... and even raising - which will give you a chance to 3bet
you could checkraise also ... both are options
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hat is not an option is check-calling
and then donking the turn, on a card that kind of makes the board semi-crappy
and then donking the river on another card that makes your hand even worse

what the hell was going on in your head - donuts?

bravos1 · #6 10-01-2007, 07:23 PM

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Check-raise the flop and it's not even close.

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check/raise? why? what am I trying to protect my hand against?

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Repeat after me....

"I raise first and foremost for value, not protection!!"

Aaron W. · #7 10-01-2007, 07:23 PM

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The pf raiser in this hand raised 100% of hands pf. Is there any room for improvement here? In my last post, you guys told me to donk the flop in a similar situation, so I suppose I should have done that here, as well.

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What was the other hand and how is it similar to this one?

ThaDodinski · #8 10-01-2007, 07:24 PM

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Check-raise the flop and it's not even close.

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check/raise? why? what am I trying to protect my hand against?

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Why do we always somehow end up on hand protection?

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Is that not why we check/raise?

ThaDodinski · #9 10-01-2007, 07:25 PM

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i probably donk the flop
that board is semi-connected and a lot of draws will be calling ... and even raising - which will give you a chance to 3bet
you could checkraise also ... both are options
w
hat is not an option is check-calling
and then donking the turn, on a card that kind of makes the board semi-crappy
and then donking the river on another card that makes your hand even worse

what the hell was going on in your head - donuts?

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apparently...

RemyXO · #10 10-01-2007, 07:25 PM

It's not for protection, it's for getting most value bets in when you have the best hand. I don't see any reason to slowplay this against loose aggro villain.

Protection here is a remote second, but notice that even gutshots will have correct odds to draw for one bet, for example QT, Q9, J9, AT, AQ, T9. You d wanna knock those out or make them draw incorrectly.