100NL - Flop Nuts - Line?

Split Suit · #1 11-09-2007, 06:41 AM

im runnin 15/8/3 like usual (fairly aggro, but nothing excessive postflop). PFraiser is 18/14/2 over 200 hands...not a bad player, very positionally aware, and will pressure often. BB is 25/10/3 over 300 hands...i havnt seen this donk before from him.

i didnt 3b pf because i had just 4b PFraiser a few hands earllier, and didnt want to give him chance to 4b it (which i felt was coming because he was gettin faster, and i wasnt sure if AQ was good against his 4b range as it hadnt happend yet and there is a huge difference between 3 and 4b ranges).

what line are you taking?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $108.25
SB: $63.05
BB: $148.60
UTG: $165.25
UTG+1: $77.15
MP1: $185.45
MP2: $51.20
CO: $153.75

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
4 folds, CO raises to $3.50, Hero calls $3.50, SB folds, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($11) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB bets $5, CO raises to $15, Hero ???

vizer02 · #2 11-09-2007, 06:50 AM

Sometimes I shove to make it look like I just have the ace of clubs. Here though I'd almost be tempted to slowplay and just call, because you might get lucky and BB shoves, CO calls, and you get it in with the nuts in a 3-way pot. Obviously shove any non-pairing turn.

Split Suit · #3 11-09-2007, 06:56 AM

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Sometimes I shove to make it look like I just have the ace of clubs. Here though I'd almost be tempted to slowplay and just call, because you might get lucky and BB shoves, CO calls, and you get it in with the nuts in a 3-way pot. Obviously shove any non-pairing turn.

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as an aside...say we do call, and the board pairs 7, and BB comes out 2/3PSB, CO folds...u ???

AllTheCheese · #4 11-09-2007, 06:59 AM

Reraise preflop, usually.

I'm always pissed off when some dope (in this case BB) makes me reveal the super strength of my hand. Tank-call for vizer's reasons. I still get in if the board pairs.

vizer02 · #5 11-09-2007, 07:05 AM

I would still shove. BB would surely reraise preflop with a set or 7,8 after donking into the PFR. If the board paired and CO 2/3 PSB's then I'd fold. If it was checked around to you I would bet/fold(to only the CO).

Renton · #6 11-09-2007, 07:26 AM

i would call, but this is a pretty crappy spot and no option works great.

SimaoMacaco · #7 11-09-2007, 07:50 AM

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i would call, but this is a pretty crappy spot and no option works great.

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QFT.. really freaking annoying.. especially when they are short. A call behind says.. wow i am super strong, a re-raise says wow i am super strong. I would normally call, but i am tempted to just push actually thinking about it.

Vecernicek · #8 11-09-2007, 08:27 AM

I think I'm raising the flop to $45 or so, mostly because it simpler. I realize that line of reasoning might preclude a lot of value, but isn't it true that a lot of turn cards will kill the action (clubs) or make us uncomfortable (pair the board)? With two opponents, and both showing interest, I think I go ahead and make a move now.

RapidEvolution · #9 11-09-2007, 08:58 AM

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i would call, but this is a pretty crappy spot and no option works great.

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QFT.. really freaking annoying.. especially when they are short. A call behind says.. wow i am super strong, a re-raise says wow i am super strong. I would normally call, but i am tempted to just push actually thinking about it.

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Renton · #10 11-09-2007, 09:05 AM

vecer, shoving is way better than a committing reraise here.