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Old 10-10-2007, 04:17 PM
EN09 EN09 is offline
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Default Re: NL25: 77 OOP with runner Jacks & 3 flush on board.

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Oh, well I guess I was looking for the spot on that page where they advocate making a min-raise, esp fro UTG+1. I still can't find it.

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no worries... if you're looking for the term "min-raise" specifically alongside "UTG+1", give it up. in addition, you will not want to mix those specifics concerning the 44 hand on pg 113 with bet-sizing from another section of the book. in fact, treat each section as it's own little strategy not to be carried over into another area. tunnel vision will be fine.

anything else 'specific' you'd like to point out you still can't find, i'm certain will make a content laden post. thanks for your input...

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Old 10-10-2007, 04:18 PM
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Only 20 hands on villain, not enough to get a sense of his play but he's been in a lot of pots since he showed up. just trying some new things and changing up my play. thoughts?

EN

Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 7 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: $29
UTG: $24.40
Hero (UTG+1): $24.65
MP: $27
CO: $11.05
BTN: $5.60
SB: $11.80

Pre-Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG+1)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.50</font>, MP folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $0.75</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.85) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $1.85</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4.50</font>, CO calls $2.65
<font color="blue">pop it here to see if i can take it down </font>

Turn: ($10.85) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO checks
<font color="blue">got called on flop so put on some brakes? </font>

River: ($10.85) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $2.50</font>
<font color="blue">misapplication of blocking bet? villain checked thru on the turn, weak? strong? does this blocking bet attempt suck? or just c/f here? </font>

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*grrrunch*

Do you always minraise preflop? I'm not a huge fan of varying preflop bet sizes by hand. I'd rather vary it by previous limpers and possibly position (though I like 4BB+1BB/limper). CO's raise is trash, but this this is usually a very strong pair (KK+) trying to get other people in the pot (yuck!)

Flop: Unless you've got a read that villain likes to float, I'd rather just b/f the flop. If you had a read that he would stab at this with AK, then I like the c/r but betting out is cheaper. Once he calls the c/r I'm done unless the board changes drastically.

Turn: The low variance play IMO is to check here too...some might like a b/f line better but I'm a bit wary after he calls your c/r.

River: The second jack means your now beating 4-5, but I doubt 4-5 would minraise you preflop. I think his most likely holding is a high pair (and maybe AdKd that was trapping on turn lol) (it matches all the actions so far). The question is, what to do? Without reads, I'd c/f river. If you knew he could lay it down to a bet, then bet, but my guess is you'd have to bet big and even then, he may not fold. The blocking bet isn't folding out anything that beats you and I think the showdown value of the 7's is in the toilet.

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yeah this hand was botched up in many ways... appreciate your grunching it helps immensely.

EN
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Old 10-10-2007, 04:32 PM
Vecernicek Vecernicek is offline
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Default Re: NL25: 77 OOP with runner Jacks & 3 flush on board.

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how 'bout him showing you KK???

the UTG+1 minraise is from NLHE:T&amp;P using the set example from pg 113 on building a pot to get stacks in. another judicious use of misplay here?

EN

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No need to be snarky. I just read what you wrote above, and I went and checked your source because it interested me, and it didn't really jibe with what you wrote.

In fact, there is no mention of a min-raise at all on that page, from any position.

If you are going to defend that play by saying you got it out of a book, and then quote the page number, why be upset when someone actually looks it up?
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