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10-09-2007, 12:36 PM
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NL25: 77 OOP with runner Jacks & 3 flush on board.
Only 20 hands on villain, not enough to get a sense of his play but he's been in a lot of pots since he showed up. just trying some new things and changing up my play. thoughts?
EN Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 7 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter BB: $29 UTG: $24.40 Hero (UTG+1): $24.65 MP: $27 CO: $11.05 BTN: $5.60 SB: $11.80 Pre-Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG+1) UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.50</font>, MP folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $0.75</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.25 Flop: ($1.85) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $1.85</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4.50</font>, CO calls $2.65 <font color="blue">pop it here to see if i can take it down </font> Turn: ($10.85) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks, CO checks <font color="blue">got called on flop so put on some brakes? </font> River: ($10.85) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $2.50</font> <font color="blue">misapplication of blocking bet? villain checked thru on the turn, weak? strong? does this blocking bet attempt suck? or just c/f here? </font> 
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#2
10-09-2007, 12:49 PM
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Re: NL25: 77 OOP with runner Jacks & 3 flush on board.
Misapplication might be the right term here because in general, you use a blocking bet to see a cheap showdown with a hand that might be good often on a kind of scary board.
Here, you could ve gone for a bluff on the river maybe or for a 2nd barrel on the turn, repping a made flush, a set or a big pair. In fact you're not beating anything here, he'll show you TT,A9, maybe even 88 most of the times here. So to sum this up: I think you messed this hand up pretty bad. BTW: wtf is that minraise PF from UTG+1? Don't do that.
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#3
10-09-2007, 01:30 PM
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Re: NL25: 77 OOP with runner Jacks & 3 flush on board.
Lets start from beggining.
Preflop: There are two ways to play small pocket pairs EP. Just limp or raise. If you choose raising then raise more, this minraise sucks hardly! I vote for raising and I would make it to 1$ Flop: As played I would just check-fold the flop. I really dont know where you are standing (preflop minraises) but I know your hand is not enough strong for showdown. You are invested only 0.75$ and its very easy fold. As played, you check-raised. I dont like but I dont hate it too but its not my line. But again this raise is soooooo small. Make it larger atleast 6 and It will take some effect. Turn: As played before: Check is fine River: Just check-fold. There is not any point to make this bet. Why blocking bet? For cheap showdown? What for? Even if he call, then you are beat. He will fold/check air anyway.
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#4
10-09-2007, 01:39 PM
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Re: NL25: 77 OOP with runner Jacks & 3 flush on board.
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In fact you're not beating anything here, he'll show you TT,A9, maybe even 88 most of the times here. So to sum this up: I think you messed this hand up pretty bad. BTW: wtf is that minraise PF from UTG+1? Don't do that. [/ QUOTE ] how 'bout him showing you KK??? the UTG+1 minraise is from NLHE:T&P using the set example from pg 113 on building a pot to get stacks in. another judicious use of misplay here? EN
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#5
10-09-2007, 03:11 PM
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Re: NL25: 77 OOP with runner Jacks & 3 flush on board.
If that is really in NLTAP, I start to understand why some people say it sucks and I'm even more happy that I never read it...
"how 'bout him showing you KK???" I'm not getting this line.
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#6
10-09-2007, 04:05 PM
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Re: NL25: 77 OOP with runner Jacks & 3 flush on board.
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"how 'bout him showing you KK???" I'm not getting this line. [/ QUOTE ] he called the river bet and showed KK. thanks for the help alex EN
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#7
10-09-2007, 04:19 PM
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Re: NL25: 77 OOP with runner Jacks & 3 flush on board.
I'm pretty sure this isn't in NLTAP. At least not on p. 113.
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#8
10-09-2007, 05:08 PM
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Re: NL25: 77 OOP with runner Jacks & 3 flush on board.
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I'm pretty sure this isn't in NLTAP. At least not on p. 113. [/ QUOTE ] pretty sure it is. pg 113 just above mid page discusses 5/10NL w/1500 stacks and pocket 4's as your hand. example shows the difference of being able to get a player to commit a stack with a $30 raise vs. a $60 raise. it also discusses the downside of getting reraised. where your calling a reraise with the $60 lead may not be giving you enough implied odds to compete for stacks with 44 given the size of the stacks, though calling a reraise when you opened for the $30 you possibly could still have good implied odds with the remaining stack sizes. at $30 a good player may be wary of a larger bet and get away, where at $60 initial raise there is enough in there to build a pot large enough to possibly get the stacks to commit. EN
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#9
10-10-2007, 03:24 PM
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Re: NL25: 77 OOP with runner Jacks & 3 flush on board.
Oh, well I guess I was looking for the spot on that page where they advocate making a min-raise, esp fro UTG+1. I still can't find it.
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#10
10-10-2007, 03:43 PM
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Re: NL25: 77 OOP with runner Jacks & 3 flush on board.
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Only 20 hands on villain, not enough to get a sense of his play but he's been in a lot of pots since he showed up. just trying some new things and changing up my play. thoughts? EN Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 7 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter BB: $29 UTG: $24.40 Hero (UTG+1): $24.65 MP: $27 CO: $11.05 BTN: $5.60 SB: $11.80 Pre-Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG+1) UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.50</font>, MP folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $0.75</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.25 Flop: ($1.85) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $1.85</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4.50</font>, CO calls $2.65 <font color="blue">pop it here to see if i can take it down </font> Turn: ($10.85) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks, CO checks <font color="blue">got called on flop so put on some brakes? </font> River: ($10.85) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $2.50</font> <font color="blue">misapplication of blocking bet? villain checked thru on the turn, weak? strong? does this blocking bet attempt suck? or just c/f here? </font> [/ QUOTE ] *grrrunch* Do you always minraise preflop? I'm not a huge fan of varying preflop bet sizes by hand. I'd rather vary it by previous limpers and possibly position (though I like 4BB+1BB/limper). CO's raise is trash, but this this is usually a very strong pair (KK+) trying to get other people in the pot (yuck!) Flop: Unless you've got a read that villain likes to float, I'd rather just b/f the flop. If you had a read that he would stab at this with AK, then I like the c/r but betting out is cheaper. Once he calls the c/r I'm done unless the board changes drastically. Turn: The low variance play IMO is to check here too...some might like a b/f line better but I'm a bit wary after he calls your c/r. River: The second jack means your now beating 4-5, but I doubt 4-5 would minraise you preflop. I think his most likely holding is a high pair (and maybe AdKd that was trapping on turn lol) (it matches all the actions so far). The question is, what to do? Without reads, I'd c/f river. If you knew he could lay it down to a bet, then bet, but my guess is you'd have to bet big and even then, he may not fold. The blocking bet isn't folding out anything that beats you and I think the showdown value of the 7's is in the toilet.
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