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Old 12-01-2007, 08:25 AM
ClubChamp04 ClubChamp04 is offline
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Default Re: Stars $50 - KK reraise vs terrible board

Relax dude you have $7 invested and you certainly don't want to be playing for stacks on this board vs any competent players. Check the flop and slow the hand down.
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Old 12-01-2007, 10:29 AM
RiverMustelid RiverMustelid is offline
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Default Re: Stars $50 - KK reraise vs terrible board

Checking is not bad, because villain ia also likely to be scared on this board, and may suspect you are slowplaying AK.

I would look to make value with a check/call on the flop, looking for check check onthe turn and a thin value bet on the river.
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Old 12-01-2007, 12:43 PM
JSampras1 JSampras1 is offline
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Default Re: Stars $50 - KK reraise vs terrible board

I actually checked, villain bet $10. I thought about it, and folded. Do you think this is terrible as played? I don't have odds to draw to the straight, the K makes any 9 or A a straight, and if he's betting he's probably pushing the turn, which i can't call.

Was just wondering if i messed up.
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Old 12-01-2007, 01:42 PM
DrMega DrMega is offline
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Default Re: Stars $50 - KK reraise vs terrible board

I think you're probably okay folding. The worst hand he bets here is likely to be AQ, and as you noted you're behind everything else by a pretty long shot. With these stack sizes I like a disciplined fold (though I probably bet and curse when he shoves). As ClubChamp noted, you've only got 7 bucks in.
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Old 12-01-2007, 01:50 PM
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Default Re: Stars $50 - KK reraise vs terrible board

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As ClubChamp noted, you've only got 7 bucks in.

[/ QUOTE ]but then again that's ridiculous thinking. Think that the pot has x amount of $$$ and you want it and how to go about getting it or if you can get it. I think this is a pretty [censored] up spot where it could go either way with a read. The fact that this also looks like he was isolating limpers from the button and called a reraise from a blind makes me think he doesn't have a reasonable range of hands. His range could be something like this against typical people at this level...

249,480 games 0.047 secs 5,308,085 games/sec

Board: Tc Js Qc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 48.521% 43.69% 04.83% 108990 12060.00 { KK }
Hand 1: 51.479% 46.65% 04.83% 116370 12060.00 { TT+, AQs+, KQs, AQo+, KQo }

even putting his range tighter this is a b/c
213,840 games 0.016 secs 13,365,000 games/sec

Board: Tc Js Qc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 43.963% 40.93% 03.03% 87528 6483.00 { KK }
Hand 1: 56.037% 53.01% 03.03% 113346 6483.00 { TT+, AQs+, AQo+ }
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Old 12-01-2007, 04:57 PM
AllTheCheese AllTheCheese is offline
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Default Re: Stars $50 - KK reraise vs terrible board

Gimme a break, Chargers. Only a donk felts AQ here.

Board: Jc Tc Qd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 26.666% 23.58% 03.09% 35715 4676.00 { KK }
Hand 1: 73.334% 70.25% 03.09% 106403 4676.00 { AA, QQ-TT, AKs, AcQc, KQs, AKo }


This range is pretty loose IMO. You played the hand fine OP.
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Old 12-01-2007, 05:03 PM
Chargers In 07 Chargers In 07 is offline
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Default Re: Stars $50 - KK reraise vs terrible board

If you bet $12 on the flop and he shoves you need 27.77% equity to call. So he needs AQ or worse 1.1% of the time to b/c. Adding in if he'll call KQo then it's an easy call because KQo felts this flop.
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Old 12-01-2007, 07:18 PM
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Default Re: Stars $50 - KK reraise vs terrible board

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Gimme a break, Chargers. Only a donk felts AQ here.

Board: Jc Tc Qd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 26.666% 23.58% 03.09% 35715 4676.00 { KK }
Hand 1: 73.334% 70.25% 03.09% 106403 4676.00 { AA, QQ-TT, AKs, AcQc, KQs, AKo }


This range is pretty loose IMO. You played the hand fine OP.

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lol its nl50 players aren't exactly good

that range is tight as hell

also if that is his felt range, you are likely +EV bet/calling as he's folding the flop a bunch then and you breakeven on the shove call
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Old 12-02-2007, 02:00 AM
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Default Re: Stars $50 - KK reraise vs terrible board

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Gimme a break, Chargers. Only a donk felts AQ here.

Board: Jc Tc Qd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 26.666% 23.58% 03.09% 35715 4676.00 { KK }
Hand 1: 73.334% 70.25% 03.09% 106403 4676.00 { AA, QQ-TT, AKs, AcQc, KQs, AKo }


This range is pretty loose IMO. You played the hand fine OP.

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A fairly competent Reg felted AQ against me today on this exact board. He's usually competent anyway.
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Old 12-01-2007, 06:43 PM
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Default Re: Stars $50 - KK reraise vs terrible board

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(though I probably bet and curse when he shoves).


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I probably do the same actually. I thought the OP was in position so that's why I said check but I do like firing here OOP.
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