QQ squeeze turn to topset - turn trouble? 10/20

Sasuke · #1 10-07-2006, 07:35 AM

** Game ID 593757996 starting - 2006-10-07 00:15:46
** Actaeus [Hold 'em] (10.00|20.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- hero sitting in seat 2 with $2196.00
- Danneville sitting in seat 3 with $4639.00
- evilswine sitting in seat 4 with $2000.00 [Dealer]
- Gannic92 sitting in seat 6 with $501.43

Gannic92 posted the small blind - $10.00
sasuke84 posted the big blind - $20.00
** Dealing card to hero: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Danneville raised - $75.00
evilswine folded
Gannic92 called - $75.00
hero raised - $300.00
Danneville called - $300.00
Gannic92 folded

** Dealing the flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
hero bet - $450.00
Danneville called - $450.00

** Dealing the turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
hero checked
Danneville went all-in - $3889.00

Not too much history with villian at this point. I haven't been squeezing much at this point.

I'm thinking a c/c on turn has move value than openpush. Should be we folding this ?

Joker757 · #2 10-07-2006, 01:49 PM

With out much history think this is a fold on the turn. He called your RR cold in positioin with two other players in the pot. Think he would have RR with AA or KK to narrow the field to try and get heads up. That SHOULD (depending on how bad/loose he is) to mid pairs and AK sometimes AQ.

He again smooth calls your bet on the flop. Since there isnt a lot of history cant see him knowing if you do a lot of continuation betting heads up. Dont think he is calling with AK unless its suited or any pair lower than 9's may get a loose call from 88 but not likely. So we can eliminate AKo and 88 with some confidence.

Since you said that he is drunk that changes things a bit but the good news is that the only hands we are behind to are K10 and slight favorite over AsKs and 1010 and big favorite over two pair and have other sets drawing THIN!

The turn was terrible since it completed the striaght if he was holding pocket 10's or even worse As10s(sometimes likely from a drunk) but it could have also given him a pair plus a fd at which point hes still an underdog against your hand but he might put you on AQ,etc.

Given the range of hands he can have we are ahead a good bit of the time and behind a good bit of the time. If we were getting about even money on the call or slightly less than 2 to 1 think we can make this call and it be profitable but given that we have to call 3900 to win 5500 not even getting 1.5 to 1 and needing to fill up to win a good bit of the time therfore thinks its a fold.

Sasuke · #3 10-07-2006, 04:04 PM

.. We are getting 1 to 2. I only have psb left.

Sasuke · #4 10-07-2006, 04:05 PM

Also... what's up with ZERO responses to this? - Is this like a super standard hand to everyone ? I would think it merits at least a few replies.

Keepitsimple · #5 10-07-2006, 04:07 PM

How many Ts are in his range?

MDMA · #6 10-07-2006, 04:18 PM

Sasuke, just ignore anything Joker757 writes, he's a troll, or he's just writing nonsense without realizing it. Where the [censored] did he thought he read you say he was drunk btw, is that from another post or is he just plain retarded?

Also, I don't know about primas handhistories, but did you make it 300, or is it 300 more? I'm assuming 300 in total anyway.

Whether this is a call or not is debatable, but I'm probably calling here. If we are beat were are likely looking at KK or TT, but I think that with a pot of 1575 and you having pretty much exactly that, this board, and that turn, I think this is a call.

And yes, I also like the turncheck much more than an openpush yourself.

luckychewy · #7 10-07-2006, 04:34 PM

i pretty much agree with what MDMA said, but this is hard without knowing exact ammts since the hh is pretty hard to read in raw form.

ahnuld · #8 10-07-2006, 04:42 PM

I agree with MDMA too, but im not sure if I prefer a turn lead allin or a check/call. Actually, check call does seem better since alot of players give up after this line by the turn, so hell bet some hands he could have gotten away form to our shove.

Joker757 · #9 10-07-2006, 05:32 PM

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Sasuke, just ignore anything Joker757 writes, he's a troll, or he's just writing nonsense without realizing it. Where the [censored] did he thought he read you say he was drunk btw, is that from another post or is he just plain retarded?

Must have been thinking of last post I apologize about that.

Also, I don't know about primas handhistories, but did you make it 300, or is it 300 more? I'm assuming 300 in total anyway.

Whether this is a call or not is debatable, but I'm probably calling here. If we are beat were are likely looking at KK or TT, but I think that with a pot of 1575 and you having pretty much exactly that, this board, and that turn, I think this is a call.

And yes, I also like the turncheck much more than an openpush yourself.

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Joker757 · #10 10-07-2006, 05:35 PM

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Sasuke, just ignore anything Joker757 writes, he's a troll, or he's just writing nonsense without realizing it. Where the [censored] did he thought he read you say he was drunk btw, is that from another post or is he just plain retarded?

Also, I don't know about primas handhistories, but did you make it 300, or is it 300 more? I'm assuming 300 in total anyway.

Whether this is a call or not is debatable, but I'm probably calling here. If we are beat were are likely looking at KK or TT, but I think that with a pot of 1575 and you having pretty much exactly that, this board, and that turn, I think this is a call.

And yes, I also like the turncheck much more than an openpush yourself.

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Yea I must have been thinking about another post. Was in a hurry out the door should have not posted anyway disregard my post In my hurry and confussing with another post given the amout of money that we have left its a call on the turn. Thought we were deeper from a previous post I was thiking about. Anyway, apologize!