Live strattle Question

[parisron]

Everywhere I have ever played including most of the casinos in Las Vegas. When a Live Strattle is made the dealer makes the anouncement loudly to the table "Live Strattle" usually before the last card is dealt to the button. But here in Tampa at the Hard Rock, the dealers only anounce it before they are done dealing about half the time. Most of them probably are not used to the concept since they just started doing it along with the new NL games on July 1st. My question is, Is it a rule that the anouncement of "Live Strattle" has to be made by the dealer before the last card is dealt or is it just a courtesy?

[BadBeatsCrewDerk]

Does it matter? I mean, if someone straddles it doesn't affect the cards in any way. If someone accidentally calls a smaller bet not realizing there is a straddle usually dealers will give them the option to take it back. Every casino seems to handle straddles differently, including where you can straddle, etc. Usually the dealer will announce it to the table, but I don't consider it a big faux pas if they don't.

[sejje]

I was playing with some older guy at Tampa HR and he kept whining about this exact thing.

He would try to limp, and the dealer would say "It's four dollars, sir." "What!? There's a straddle? I didn't hear you say that."

He would go on and on, apparently trying to be able to limp just because he didn't hear the dealer announce straddle. Really slowed up the game. Saddest part was that I heard every dealer announce every straddle.

FWIW, I agree with the above. It doesn't matter whether they announce it or not. It's action on the table, you should be able to keep up with the bets in front of players. And if you make a mistake and don't notice, big deal, take back your limp.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

Sounds like you have a bunch of dealers who want the money but don't give a rats azz whether they do a good job or not. And you've got casino bosses who don't understand poker and dnt care because they still get the drop either way and have no clue that what happens in the poker room actually really does affect their overall business. No doubt the players are wpt trained idiots. Great mix. What do you expect? Tip the good dealers well and the bad ones tip appropriately.

I announce live staddles immediately, as soon as they go up, long before I'm done dealing. Anything other than this, see the above pragraph.

Al

[PantsOnFire]

I don't see a problem. When I am UTG I annouce straddle and put in 2BB before the dealer starts dealing. When the action is on me I announce it again. If you are at the table and missed both times I announced straddle, well then perhaps your mind is elsewhere.

Besides, anyone who limps for 1BB can simply be told that there is a live straddle (for the third time) and either call or take back the limp.

Personally, I feel the dealer announcing live straddle is just a nice option. He doesn't declare the amount of a bet or raise every single time around the table. He should expect the players to pay attention.

[Rottersod]

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Does it matter? I mean, if someone straddles it doesn't affect the cards in any way. If someone accidentally calls a smaller bet not realizing there is a straddle usually dealers will give them the option to take it back. Every casino seems to handle straddles differently, including where you can straddle, etc. Usually the dealer will announce it to the table, but I don't consider it a big faux pas if they don't.

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It does matter, especially in NL. Say the dealer doesn't announce it and the other players assume it was just a min raise by UTG and they call? They need to know that he still has the option to raise. That's the point of the live straddle.

[parisron]

"It does matter, especially in NL. Say the dealer doesn't announce it and the other players assume it was just a min raise by UTG and they call? They need to know that he still has the option to raise. That's the point of the live straddle"
Yes also it is much more likely that the pot will be raised by someone on a strattle pot including the strattler. so you have to raise your limping requirements especially in early to middle position. so you dont donate then fold when someone makes it $30 or $40 behind you in a $2/5 nl game.

[VORP]

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Does it matter? I mean, if someone straddles it doesn't affect the cards in any way. If someone accidentally calls a smaller bet not realizing there is a straddle usually dealers will give them the option to take it back. Every casino seems to handle straddles differently, including where you can straddle, etc. Usually the dealer will announce it to the table, but I don't consider it a big faux pas if they don't.

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It does matter, especially in NL. Say the dealer doesn't announce it and the other players assume it was just a min raise by UTG and they call? They need to know that he still has the option to raise. That's the point of the live straddle.

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Anyone who can't follow the action in a poker game is an idiot. When I'm playing I couldn't care less whether or not the dealer announces a straddle, given that I can easily deduce that, since the min raise was put out before the cards where dealt, it's live. However, I do announce stuff like straddles when I'm dealing because, well, many players can't follow the action on their own.

[TyFuji]

That chip sitting there in front of the BB could be a variety of things: A mistaken big blind post, a "dead dingle" (UTG Blind call), a blind raise, etc. Of course, most of these things will never happen. But as a dealer, you announce it so that you don't have to deal with "is that a straddle? How much is it? Is that a straddle?" ad infinitum. I don't think it's a hard and fast rule, but announcing the straddle is good for both the players and the dealer (saves time).

I also find that the straddlers like it much better when I announce it... i guess they want everyone to know how cool they are, that they can post 2xBB when they don't have to.

[Milo]

It is the dealer's job to announce that there is a straddle.

It is your job to be aware.

And of course it matters.