Some hands from my horrible month - Standard or Misplayed?

[yenman]

I ve had a horrible year jsut making 1.5ptbb/100. (last eyar i was like 8.5)
Anyways im on the verge of my first losing month ever down about -2500 from nl400 and nl200.

Please give me some feedback on some hands:


hand 1) Villain is LAP with pretty low AGG factor:
Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $127.40
BB: $200.00
UTG: $264.35
MP: $319.60
<font color="black">Hero (CO): $225.53</font>
BTN: $72.98

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG calls $2.00, MP folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $8.00</font>, 3 folds, UTG calls $6.00

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($19) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $10.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $30.00</font>, UTG calls $20.00

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($79) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $62.00</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $124.00</font>??

HAND 2) Vilain is TAG.

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $64.15
BB: $188.25
UTG: $189.00
CO: $200.00
<font color="black">Hero (BTN): $236.25</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $7.00</font>, Hero calls $7.00, 2 folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($17) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">CO bets $12.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $36.00</font>, <font color="red">CO raises all-in to $193.00</font>??

HAND 3) VILLAIN IS LAP

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

<font color="black">Hero (SB): $328.00</font>
BB: $206.75
UTG: $38.00
CO: $194.00
BTN: $178.51

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $4.00</font>, CO folds, BTN calls $4.00, Hero calls $3.00, BB folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($14) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $4.00</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $8.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $24.00</font>, UTG folds, BTN calls $16.00

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($66) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $40.00</font>, BTN calls $40.00

<font color="black">River:</font> ($146) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)??

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

HAND 4)Villain is LAP

SB: $107.27
<font color="black">Hero (BB): $211.35</font>
UTG: $229.75
MP: $54.31
CO: $193.00
BTN: $200.75

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, MP calls $2.00, CO folds, BTN calls $2.00, SB folds, Hero checks

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($7) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $6.00</font>, MP folds, BTN calls $6.00

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($19) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $15.00</font>, BTN calls $15.00

<font color="black">River:</font> ($49) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $20.00</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $60.00</font>??

Im sorry if some of these hands seem totally standrad or boring. After 5 and a half months of bad beats, bad runs and also probably playing badly, I have a hard time believing in my decision making.

Also is it normal to have long stretches like this over like 80K hands?

[berserk]

1-shove
2-3bet pre. call as played I think, though its close (flush draw pushes to call)
3-really easy shove
4-also a pretty easy shove, there are more lower flushes than higher ones and your river bet was so weak. You should have bet 35-40 on riv.

[Trivial]

lol, hand one is sick against this type of player.. this is a set a lot of the time but sometimes weirdly played AK/AA or KJ like yourself.. we're not far from committed here so I get it in.

Stacking off in the second hand is fine given preflop.

Not sure what you're asking in hand three. Bet whatever he has left.

Last hand I bet larger on the river. Since he will get it in with any flush and maybe a straight a shove looks good, although if he's ultra passive then I guess you could just call.

[yenman]

in hand 4 I felt it was highly unlikel yfor him to have a 4 for a straight. I bet small to induce some bluffs as well as get some loose calls form 2 pr type hands. So i bet a number that would look weak...

Ismy logic erred? I am just completely confused these days.

[VarlosZ]

Just based on those hands it seems you have some relatively large holes in your game. I say that in part because of some questionable plays, and in part because of some obvious ones that you shouldn't have to ask about.

-- Why did you raise Hand 1 preflop but cold-call Hand 2? I'd suggest switching those plays (though a lot of people would disagree with me about Hand 1 and say a raise is way better).

-- Hand 3 you have to lead the flop. As played, bet more on the turn and push river.


I'm sure all of these hands have unhappy endings, but there's really no reason not to get it all in on any of them.


How many tables do you play at a time? I've found that one doesn't really get better at poker multi-tabling -- because of time constraints you're just on auto-pilot with the game you've got, instead of thinking about the problems in front of you in new ways. In the past, when I've been running bad and/or I'm unhappy with my game, I've had good results moving up a limit or two and playing just one or two tables (instead of four or five). Something to consider.

In any event, good luck, and I hope things turn around for you soon.

[rand]

1. get it in

2. same

3. value shove

4. same but you can call if hes really passive and your tired of gettin 2nd nutted

p.s. i do think these are standard

[sammy71]

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1-shove
2-3bet pre. call as played I think, though its close (flush draw pushes to call)
3-really easy shove
4-also a pretty easy shove, there are more lower flushes than higher ones and your river bet was so weak. You should have bet 35-40 on riv.

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[yenman]

ok... thanx thats the kind of kick in the ass i needed.

i will explain some of my deicisions though.
hand 1) limper is very LAP and button is Tight- passive
hand 2) PFR is tag but blinds were totally super LAP. I didnt want to isolate a better player when there are total donkeys sitting in the blinds. I also felt is maksed the value of my hand. 3-betting him here i felt made my hand too transparent...
hand 3) donkey PFRminraiser almost always post-oaked lbuffed at pots he raised. Check raising my hand here i figured would look like a bluffier line.

Sad but true i only play 2-3 tables... ouch

I would love to know which holes are the ones I shouldnt even ask about. Is it my Prelfop play?

[VarlosZ]

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]I would love to know which holes are the ones I shouldnt even ask about. Is it my Prelfop play?

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With just a few hands to look at, I didn't have any particular holes in mind (except perhaps that if you're very apprehensive about getting it in with each of those hands it's possible that you're getting run over). It was a general feeling I got from going through them, but table dynamics like the ones you mentioned can affect each hand differently, so I could be wrong.


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hand 2) PFR is tag but blinds were totally super LAP. I didnt want to isolate a better player when there are total donkeys sitting in the blinds. I also felt is masked the value of my hand. 3-betting him here i felt made my hand too transparent...

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This may be a nice call with the weak players in blinds, but not for that last reason. A decent villain is raising with wide variety of hands, and you should sometimes reraise him with less than premium hands -- but to do that, you have to actually play your premiums fast as well (most of the time).

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hand 3) donkey PFRminraiser almost always post-oaked lbuffed at pots he raised. Check raising my hand here i figured would look like a bluffier line.

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A check isn't nearly as bad with the almost assured c-bet from pfr, but I think you still have to lead out. Again, sometimes you should be stealing these pots on the flop with overcards, and if you do that then you should also tend to lead out with your mosters.

More importantly, though, I strongly believe a bet is more likely to get a lot of money in than a check-raise. The check-raise looks strong, not bluffy. A lead out is likely to get raised by an overpair or a pair+draw, at which point a well-sized 3-bet can wreck the odds for a draw and possibly pot-commit an overpair. The check-raise, on the other hand, is almost never going to be reraised (but will be frequently called), and then you've given a draw a cheap card to beat you and revealed that your hand is very strong, with not much money in the pot and bad position on the turn and river. You'll be out of position on 4th and 5th Streets anyway, but that's so much less of a problem if the pot is large (or small) instead of medium.

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Sad but true i only play 2-3 tables... ouch

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That's fine, just play as many as you can without wrecking your performance on all of them. I can do four maybe five, while others can do eight maybe ten. I don't know why that is.


Going to bed, I'll check back tomorrow.

[yenman]

well the results were
hand 1) villain has 555
hand 2) villain has A-8
hand 3) villain has str8 off flop lol
hand 4) villain has nutflush. I minreraise and villain flat calls with the nuts lol!