Deep 25/50 i flop top 2. Turn decision(s)

HEK · #1 09-20-2006, 10:00 PM

Villian is usually a wicked rock shortstacker. I don't know if I've ever seen him with a normal stack on a table before. As a shortstacker he's seems pretty solid with his preflop all ins and such. But I have no clue about how he plays with a normal stack let alone deep.

What are my turn decisions based on the two different scenarios I provided below?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP1 ($5866)
MP2 ($7167)
CO ($4875)
Hero ($11358.41)
SB ($6426)
BB ($15493)
UTG ($2000)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q

, K

. SB posts a blind of $25. UTG posts a blind of $50.
UTG (poster) checks, 1 fold, MP2 calls $50, CO calls $50, Hero raises to $275, 1 fold, BB raises to $644, UTG folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, Hero calls $415.

Flop: ($1563) 4

, Q

, K

2 players)
BB bets $850,Hero raises to $2500, BB calls $1650.

Turn: ($6563)

Scenario 1: Turn = 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], VILLIAN bets $3750

Scenario 2: Turn = 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], VILLIAN bets $3750

Ansky · #2 09-20-2006, 10:02 PM

1) Shove. (Edit wait, maybe I call...)

2) Fold.

Clayton · #3 09-20-2006, 10:03 PM

his hand range looks like AA>>AK>>>>>>KK/QQ

as such, shove hand one and fold hand 2

BobboFitos · #4 09-21-2006, 12:54 AM

Why are you calling the pfrr?

jcmoussa · #5 09-21-2006, 01:05 AM

1) Call
2) Fold

odawg09090 · #6 09-21-2006, 03:58 AM

Shove, Shove.

okayplayer · #7 09-21-2006, 04:41 AM

ColNeckTie?

push
Fold

DJ Sensei · #8 09-21-2006, 04:49 AM

1) shove, obviously, because he's trying to stack off with AA/AK (maybe AKss) and you want to get it in now before you see a tougher river with a bigger pot.

2) call. if he has AA, your call may scare him out of making a river bet, and you can show it down cheaper. if he has AK, he probably won't call a push (unless, again, he has AKs). If he's still on a bluff for some reason, calling gives him one more shot to put chips in the pot.

jcmoussa · #9 09-21-2006, 10:00 AM

Why are people advocating a push on the flop with stacks so deep? Villain is described as being tight and not stupid and will most likely get away from AK or AA here

Hattifnatt · #10 09-21-2006, 10:06 AM

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Why are you calling the pfrr?

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Because of the deep stacks obv. If eff stacks was 2k this is a pretty clear preflop fold, right?

And happy birthday Bobbo.