Big blind all in with less than bb - what is needed to call?

[Crysan]

The topic should be quite self-explanatory.
Atleast at iPoker network you always have to put in the full bb to limp in, but it seems that some other networks have different rules; Just the amount of the bb all-in is needed.

So, what's the official/correct rule?
Thanks.

[VLV]

I don't get what you're asking. Can you go all in with less than the big blind?

First part of your question, yes, you always have to put in the full BB to limp in yes.

Second part, ???Just the amount of the bb all-in is needed.???

[Lego05]

If the person in the BB can't cover the BB then he's all-in for w/e he has. If someone wants to limp in they have to put in the actual BB amount not what the person in the BB has. However, if only one person plays then the extra money the put in is returned to them and they are all-in for the amount that the person in the BB had.

[SuperUberBob]

You mean if a stack is forced all-in from the BB, what is needed to call, right?

It depends on stack sizes. If you have a deep stack, call with any two cards. If you have a short stack, either shove all-in over the top or fold.

One move I like to do is if you're in this situation and you have multiple limpers (more than 3) in front of you, I like jamming with any two cards if you have a large enough stack to induce fold equity. Your opponents are limping with any two and will have a hard time calling your shove.

What happens is that by jamming all-in like that, you receive (Big blind - BB stack) * # of limpers in front automatically since that would be a side pot. Then you're heads up for the main pot.

[mce86]

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The topic should be quite self-explanatory.
Atleast at iPoker network you always have to put in the full bb to limp in, but it seems that some other networks have different rules; Just the amount of the bb all-in is needed.

So, what's the official/correct rule?
Thanks.

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You are all in for the amount you have! Once in a tournamrnt, I was all in for the ante and couldnt even post the blinds! (100-200 with a 25 ante)
I built back to 1700 in chips!! That was fun, and the dealer got a great tip!

[Crysan]

Ok, maybe it wasn't so self-explanatory after all, sorry [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

I think Lego05 got what I meant tho;

Let's say blinds are 5/10. A player in bb has a stack of 7 chips, so he's forced all-in. I'm on the button with a big stack and it's folded to me. Do I have to put in 7 chips, or 10 chips in the pot to constitute a call?

[Crysan]

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[jcl]

u gotta put in 10 unless folded to u and ur the sb in which case u put 2 more

[Small Fry]

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u gotta put in 10 unless folded to u and ur the sb in which case u put 2 more

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This is the correct answer.

[Lottery Larry]

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No, it's not:

"Answer: Yes, the online poker sites have the correct rule: If the big blind can't cover the regular limit, then the bet that everyone has to call, is whatever the big blind goes all-in for. So the in example you have above, the players would have to call $250. The reason for this is because the big blind is just considered the initial bet. The only difference between a big blind bet and other bets is that the big blind bet is forced."

If there are online sites doing this, that's their special rule.

The stack of the player in the big blind position does not determine how much the big blind is, for that level. Her stack only determines how much of the resulting pot she is competing for.

The BB amount is the forced bet amount that has been predetermined. How much of that forced bet, which the player in the position two to the left of the button, the player can match has nothing to do with what the other players have to call for.