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Old 08-07-2007, 01:39 AM
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two tables. 1-2 and 2-5 NL. both have the same standard opening raise of 15. do you play the 1-2 b/c they're making a preflop mistake? or 2-5 b/c there's more money to win from bad players (there's also a lot of cold calling in both games)?

now assume the average stack is twice as big at 2-5. how does that affect your choice?
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Old 08-07-2007, 06:02 AM
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wouldnt your bankroll have a large say in this?
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Old 08-07-2007, 06:54 AM
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If they're loose at the 1-2 I choose the 1-2, otherwise the 2-5. The games are similar postflop (since the pots will be comparable), but everyone is on a shortstack in the 1-2.
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Old 08-07-2007, 01:03 PM
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This is live. so there's no cap on the buy in. and these actually represent real games. at a local casino, both games play with red ($5) chips (aside from the 1-2 blinds). so a $15 raise is standard in both games. the average stack in the 1-2 is probably $300 usually, sometimes $500. the avg in 2-5 is probably $600, sometimes $1000. I was curious how to view the theoretical edge differently assuming both played with, let's say, $400 stacks but the same pf raises and the different blinds. (and assume everyone has all the bankroll they need to win, or lose, as much as they want.)
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Old 08-07-2007, 02:17 PM
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1/2. $3 a round to play juiced up pots w/ premium hands against donkeys is better than $7 a round.
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Old 08-07-2007, 06:02 PM
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the preflop mistakes they are making in the 1/2 game are so exploitable that i buy in for $100 and play in that. if you know how to play post flop you'd probably do better in the 2/5 one though.
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Old 08-07-2007, 08:09 PM
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If you are the better player you want loose players to be in too many pots where they are quickly commited (by betting too much and bloating the pot too quickly with weak hands). If the preflop raises represent a large part of the effective stacks they should probably play a lot tighter than normally. If the preflop raises are this big you are effectively lowering stack sizes (forget blind sizes, it's about the size of the pot).

It's never very profitable to play tight, shortstacked players. So it's better to choose the bigger game that allows more postflop manouvering if they are tight and vice versa.
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Old 08-07-2007, 08:27 PM
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Alot of it would depend upon the position of the raiser, maybe i've missed something, but in a 1/2 dollar game with shorter stacks and early position a 15 dollar raise would represent a stronger hand than a 15 dollar raise in a bigger game. From there i'd just determine if my hand was fair enough for me to play compared to that raise to blind ratio, also considering the players style who raised.
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Old 08-07-2007, 08:33 PM
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1/2. $3 a round to play juiced up pots w/ premium hands against donkeys is better than $7 a round.

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yeah, I agree this should be decisive with same stacks. what do you think when stacks are double in 2-5?
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Old 08-07-2007, 08:36 PM
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the preflop mistakes they are making in the 1/2 game are so exploitable that i buy in for $100 and play in that. if you know how to play post flop you'd probably do better in the 2/5 one though.

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I think shortstacking can be very effective and I recommended it for one friend who's more of a newbie. But the post flop play is so bad, I think you really want to get some post flop play.

I also should reemphasize that it's quite common for a $15 open to be called in 3-4 spots. in both games.
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