NL50: 55 l/shove vs SS PF raise

[gman339]

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Spew. 17/5 is horrible for a shortstacker, but the 5 part indicates that you're in terrible shape equity wise, and the 17 indicates that he's calling with a lot of hands that will make you say, "how did he call me with that?" He's also raising an UTG limper from the SB.

PFR doesn't converge that well over 120 hands, but his range is probably somewhere in the AQ+,TT+ range, but cold be as wide as 88+, ATs+, AJ, KQs. The problem with your fives here is you're almost never going to be way ahead.

I've shortstacked over 100K hands (yes, a waste of time), and I often see players make this l/rr with 55/QJs, etc, and everytime I laugh. Granted, I'm not playing 17/5, but my raising range is probably not that much different than his.

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Hero is 17/5 not villain. Villain (SS) is running 23/5/1.1. I think you may have misread that Buddha.

That aside....I don't think I can justify a shove here either. I don't think you are getting enough fold equity to compensate being that behind against the range he calls with.

[GiantBuddha]

We both misread it. Hero is 17/11 and villain is 23/5. lol. 23/5 probably makes shoving worse, IMO. It makes villain look more passive, thus less likely to be raising a marginal hand and less likely to fold to a shove.

[BadBigBabar]

right it just seems to me instinctively like the top 5% of hands, which is supposedly what he's raising, crushes our pocket 5s. i don't know how to do ranges in stove, so if someone could say i'd be appreciative.

[WCGRider]

Dont do that, he isnt folding, we are way behind or slightly ahead, this is really poor.

[RapidEvolution]

Playing around with stove I have this likely range (at 5%) It's not necessarily THE top 5, but I think it's good.

99+/AQo+/AQs+ It's still roughly 2-1 against you.

That having been said, I doubt he's folding and you're a coinflip at best. Besides, I'm assuming you limped 55 to hit big against a big stack, not race with a shortie. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[ship_it_trebek]

I got AI preflop against a shortstacker with similar stats today at NL100, my TT got looked up by 77 and naturally underset me. The fact is you have no equity here and you aren't going to fold out hands like 66-TT that you have you crushed but probably still shouldn't commit.

[AlexB182]

Allright guys, thanks for your the help here, especially to buddha. I think I have to admit that it was a bad move in this spot. Thanks for the insights...