PP and FD agaisnt lagish

Sushiglutton · #1 10-18-2007, 05:15 PM

Villain is laggy pf with PFR: 26% after 100 ~hands. He plays aggro, but no that bad post-flop. After he 3-bets pf his range consists of many PP, broadway combos and aces (not the worst of them).

I think I know the answer.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 3 folds, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero ???

I R BABOON · #2 10-18-2007, 05:23 PM

I'd raise here then call him down fearing he might have a bigger [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Bona · #3 10-18-2007, 05:27 PM

I don't think 26% is very laggy in 6 max myself. As a matter of fact it could be right on the money. So I think villains PF trey indicates he is likely holding 2 very big overcards at minimum up to a good sized pocket pair 99+

I think we are sometimes ahead on the flop and sometimes behind. Maybe we are ahead more often at this point but I sure don't like our implied odds against overcards and our FD odds must be devalued considerably.

Poker stove gives us about 51% equity against the top 12% of hands so I think we call and see how it goes.

scpi10 · #4 10-18-2007, 05:29 PM

grunch

Hero raises for value, you might have the best hand but if not you can check and get a free card on the turn.
My advice today has been about 0% so don't listen to me.

Sushiglutton · #5 10-18-2007, 05:36 PM

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you might have the best hand but if not you can check and get a free card on the turn.

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How can we both get the 'we are beaten info' AND be able to take a free card?

scpi10 · #6 10-18-2007, 05:39 PM

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My advice today has been about 0% so don't listen to me.

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I don't know what I was looking at, sorry. Hero calls.
Please refer to the quote for this advice as well

Oink · #7 10-18-2007, 05:47 PM

Raising to take a free card here is terrible. TERRIBLE! If he just calls your flop raise you will most likely be the one handing out free cards.

If you think you have eq to raise you bet the turn. So many worse hands are calling!

That said I think I just call down and let him barrel away. Bet if checked to.

I think I said it in another post the other day. Stop giving too much action to LAGs.

Also - running the risk of getting very unpopular - post this in SSSH. You will get better responses. (No offense)

Sushiglutton · #8 10-18-2007, 05:54 PM

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That said I think I just call down and let him barrel away. Bet if checked to.

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I did that, but thought I shud have value-raised. Now it feels better.

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Also - running the risk of getting very unpopular - post this in SSSH. You will get better responses. (No offense)

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I'll do that. use a diferent name. Which forum is best? Game on...

Aaron W. · #9 10-18-2007, 06:07 PM

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Villain is laggy pf with PFR: 26% after 100 ~hands. He plays aggro, but no that bad post-flop. After he 3-bets pf his range consists of many PP, broadway combos and aces (not the worst of them).

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I would call the flop and maybe raise the turn for a free showdown. If he's not bad postflop, he'll likely see your play as a slowplayed strong hand and will not 3-bet bluff unless you're in big trouble. You'll also get added value out of hands with a high heart. There's a chance of ending up in a bit of a bind if he 3-bets you (because you don't know how good your [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] draw is), but I don't think it happens very often. I would probably call and donk-fold a flush, check-fold otherwise.

I don't like raising the flop because it puts you in the same sort of trouble if you're 3-bet, but now his 3-betting range is much larger and your edge (if it exists) is significantly smaller.

Aaron W. · #10 10-18-2007, 06:08 PM

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Also - running the risk of getting very unpopular - post this in SSSH. You will get better responses. (No offense)

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The last time I looked at SSSH, most of the advice was terrible FPS lagasms.