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Old 10-12-2007, 12:29 AM
Bulla Bulla is offline
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Default Whats My Play?

Villain has been pretty aggressive the whole tourney basically is all i have on him.

Level VI (100/200)
Table '63175424 276' 9-max Seat #5 is the button

Seat 8: Hero (4155 in chips)
Seat 9: villain (6175 in chips)

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero[Qc Kc]

Hero: raises 400 to 600
villain : calls 600

*** FLOP *** [As 5c 4s]
Hero: bets 1000
villain : calls 1000

*** TURN *** [As 5c 4s] [8c]
Hero: bets 1800
villain : raises 1800 to 3600
Hero: calls 755 and is all-in

*** RIVER *** [As 5c 4s 8c] [8s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero: shows [Qc Kc] (a pair of Eights)
villain : shows [Js Ks] (a flush, Ace high)
villain collected 8610 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8610 | Rake 0
Board [As 5c 4s 8c 8s]
Seat 8: Hero showed [Qc Kc] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 9: villain showed [Js Ks] and won (8610) with a flush, Ace high

We are only an hour in and nowhere near the bubble. Better ways to play this? Just looking for different ways to play this whole hand.
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Old 10-12-2007, 01:08 AM
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Don't Fire 2nd Barrel on Turn.
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Old 10-12-2007, 02:12 AM
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Yeah. Check the turn (or shove it).

Hard to say anything about PF b/c we have no idea what position you are in and what position villain is in.

Honestly, this looks more like a BBV thread than a serious question. I mean, what do you mean "What's my play?" Where do you want advice? The whole hand?

Sherman
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Old 10-12-2007, 02:33 AM
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I was in the small blind and hes in the big blind. i've never posted hands on here yet and its a hand i went out on.
I see your saying c/f the turn or just shove it, i just wanted to see what people thought and it was a hand i busted out on.
Your saying its more of a bbv post, what should i look at in my hand to decide what forum i should put it in? Just whether or not it has an easy answer?
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Old 10-12-2007, 02:49 AM
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Not sure that i bet the flop. Leading turn if flop is checked thru is ok. As played check/open-shove turn? I think i check b/c he's not folding enough/u don't have enough equity when called to make this semi-bluff EV+.
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Old 10-12-2007, 06:15 AM
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Preflop raise is fine, Pot is now 1200.
Flop cbet makes sense, though on that sort've board I'd rather go slightly smaller. Pot is now 3200, stack sizes 2500.
You have 20% equity versus Ax & 31% equity against a lower pair so it's clear you need hardly any fold equity for shoving to be +EV. The question is whether check/folding is more +EV. I think it's close, but I think he folds enough of his range (random floats, random stuff like 65 maybe) & doesn't give you a free card that often, so I shove. Betting 1800 isn't really worse than shoving, but just stick the 2500 all in there.
As for the forum thing, this is definitely the correct forum, the earlier points were just that it isn't written in a way that looks like it wants advice.
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Old 10-12-2007, 09:35 AM
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preflop and flop look okay...with a read okay I guess but I may just slow on the A high flop...what are we planning to do it he check raises the flop??? Turn is bad...just let it go quietly
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Old 10-12-2007, 10:07 AM
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PF: raise to 500
Flop: bet 800
Turn: check
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Old 10-12-2007, 01:12 PM
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Given your stack and the villain in this hand, I'd check/shove the flop hoping to rep the A and that he doesn't have it.

If he checks through on the flop, I lead almost every turn (this is known as a delayed c-bet; I use it when I have been c-betting way too much and am afraid of getting bluff-raised).

As played, either open-shove or check/fold the turn.

You got it in good and got unlucky. Not much you can do.
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Old 10-12-2007, 01:20 PM
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sherman? Open shove or C/shove? So we are guessing cause I doubt he's folding any ace...worst kind of flop and we are out of position with junk...it is okay to surrender and wait for a better spot rather than playing russian roulette
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