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Old 11-08-2007, 02:03 AM
smokingrobot smokingrobot is offline
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Default NL50 Blank hits turn, opponent wakes up and confuses the hero

My table image is pretty TAG. I've been taking down pots w/o a showdown for quite some time as I had previously been showing down with the winning hand. Villain is disgustingly loose and passive: 64/7.04/.4.

He and I have only played in one other hand which I played a pocket pair rather passively against him.

If it helps I'm at: 18/11/1.8

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $108.30
BB: $51.40
UTG: $39.90
CO: $48.65
Hero (BTN): $92.95

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2</font>, SB folds, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.25) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $3</font>, BB calls $3

Turn: ($10.25) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $6</font>, Hero calls $6

River: ($22.25) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $40.40 and is All-In</font>

I'm confused about the turn bet and then I guess ultimately the river, but I'd appreciate any comments on the preflop raise and the flop bet.
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Old 11-08-2007, 02:06 AM
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Default Re: NL50 Blank hits turn, opponent wakes up and confuses the hero

Villain is passive. Villain is betting. We have ace high. I am getting the [censored] out of here.
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Old 11-08-2007, 02:41 AM
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Default Re: NL50 Blank hits turn, opponent wakes up and confuses the hero

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Villain is passive. Villain is betting. We have ace high. I am getting the [censored] out of here.

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Man its always sweet when the correct answer is the first one
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Old 11-08-2007, 02:46 AM
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Default Re: NL50 Blank hits turn, opponent wakes up and confuses the hero

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Villain is passive. Villain is betting. We have ace high. I am getting the [censored] out of here.

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Man its always sweet when the correct answer is the first one

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Is the correct play always the airtight sound play?

I mean seriously: What situation would you need to call down a bluff against a total moron who doesnt know how to bluff properly?
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Old 11-08-2007, 02:49 AM
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Default Re: NL50 Blank hits turn, opponent wakes up and confuses the hero

Pretty much.

Right now you are digging yourself into a hole without a latter. Dont worry about picking off bluffs with air. Letting the donk think he can bluff in this situation sets him up to do it later when you can stack him. And he probably has you beat anyway.

I could contemplate a call here with 99, TT, 88 maybe as bluff catchers, but his line screams a 4 or 2 pair.
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Old 11-08-2007, 02:55 AM
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Default Re: NL50 Blank hits turn, opponent wakes up and confuses the hero

awesome. i completely agree with that. appreciate the explanation.

I guess i'm hellbent on getting to a better level of hand reading/player reading and i really nailed this one, or maybe i just made a lucky guess and was right :/...
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Old 11-08-2007, 02:06 AM
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Default Re: NL50 Blank hits turn, opponent wakes up and confuses the hero

I'm probably folding to the turn donk, unless he smart enough to think that this is probably the driest board possible and was gonna stop and go you.
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Old 11-08-2007, 02:09 AM
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Default Re: NL50 Blank hits turn, opponent wakes up and confuses the hero

Is there such a thing as a value call/value reraise? Any other time, had there not been the sudden action on the part of the opponent, I'd be VB'ing the [censored] outta this.

In other words, is there ever a situation where we make value calls against a ridiculously loose passive player?
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Old 11-08-2007, 02:12 AM
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Default Re: NL50 Blank hits turn, opponent wakes up and confuses the hero

maybe i should rephrase this: how often against an opponent like this should we be calling down against a bluff?

If we should always be VB'ing when we lead the action, why shouldnt we be doing the same thing in these situations?
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Old 11-08-2007, 02:18 AM
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Default Re: NL50 Blank hits turn, opponent wakes up and confuses the hero

We don't call because generally, passive villains don't bluff.
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