in over my head

[vmacosta]

assuming button opens 50% of hands and the x is a 2, we have to get owned postflop really bad in order to make folding the flop correct.

That said, this sounds like a spot where it actually is pretty close--the value of "x" matters. Without solving the whole damn problem, I'd guess that in my normal games (I'm a mediocre 15/30ish online player) it would be a bad fold if x<7 or so.

Since I haven't tried to solve it yet, it'd def be best to defer to the experts (who posted before me) on this though.

[ALL1N]

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assuming button opens 50% of hands and the x is a 2, we have to get owned postflop really bad in order to make folding the flop correct.

That said, this sounds like a spot where it actually is pretty close--the value of "x" matters. Without solving the whole damn problem, I'd guess that in my normal games (I'm a mediocre 15/30ish online player) it would be a bad fold if x<7 or so.

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I agree.

[mike l.]

youre right you are in over your head.

[piggity]

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youre right you are in over your head.

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Not that I'm disagreeing with you, but is there anything specific from my post (aside from the title) that you see as particularly wrong/naive? I know you're a good player/poster so I'd genuinely appreciate any further thoughts. Thanks.

[mike l.]

unless you just happen to have a lot of money and dont care if you lose it you shouldnt be playing 100-200 without having already developed a strong plan with significant reasoning behind it as to how and why you would play a hand like this. this sort of situation is a very common one. this is the sort of question that you should figure out in your first 6 months or so of playing low and mid limit hold em. also if youre playing 1-2 you should ideally have read a bunch of books that address this sort of issue (the 2+2 ones are the best) and will show you the sort of thinking you need to be doing in order to beat different sorts of games and opponents. so in short yes your post sounds naive.

[AffleckKGB]

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unless you just happen to have a lot of money and dont care if you lose it you shouldnt be playing 100-200 without having already developed a strong plan with significant reasoning behind it as to how and why you would play a hand like this. this sort of situation is a very common one. this is the sort of question that you should figure out in your first 6 months or so of playing low and mid limit hold em. also if youre playing 1-2 you should ideally have read a bunch of books that address this sort of issue (the 2+2 ones are the best) and will show you the sort of thinking you need to be doing in order to beat different sorts of games and opponents. so in short yes your post sounds naive.

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Obviously, this is silly. Everybody wonders what to do when they're in this situation, and few 1/2 players have "developed a strong plan with significant reasoning behind it as to how and why you would play a hand like this".

Does mikel even play 1/2 anymore or has he given it up since his JJ raise/fold preflop?

[mike l.]

"Does mikel even play 1/2 anymore or has he given it up since his JJ raise/fold preflop?"

so because id mastered the game so thoroughly i gave it up?? now youre the one being silly...

[Ryno]

"Obviously, this is silly. Everybody wonders what to do when they're in this situation, and few 1/2 players have "developed a strong plan with significant reasoning behind it as to how and why you would play a hand like this". "

I've probably spent more time scenario-playing/pokerstoving Ax HU OOP than any other situation in limit holdem.

The answer depends on the aggressive/passive nature of the opponent, his range, etc., so you are always thinking about the right play in the moment, but that isn't the same thing as not having a plan.

[tongni]

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Everybody wonders what to do when they're in this situation, and few 1/2 players have "developed a strong plan with significant reasoning behind it as to how and why you would play a hand like this".


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Yeah, I have to agree here. I just pick one of the three actions with semi randomness in this spot. If I had to think about my frequency, I'm not sure I could come up with it offhand.


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also if youre playing 1-2 you should ideally have read a bunch of books that address this sort of issue (the 2+2 ones are the best)

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What do the 2+2 books say about this spot? I'm genuinely curious, as I haven't read any of them in a while.

[NMcNasty]

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So I find myself sitting in a 1/2 game again, feeling somewhat over-matched aside from two obvious weak spots. The villain here is a TAG, possibly a pro, and probably views me as weak. Earlier he opened on the button, I defended my BB with KTo, c/c a low paired flop, c/r T turn, bet out Q river and won the pot (he called river but did not show his hand -- but he did show his neighbor and the ensuing conversation suggested he had flopped a low pair with a K kicker).

So obviously he's raising with a wide range OTB -- but just how wide can I assume that range to be?

Anyhow we're 7 handed at the moment and he open raises on the button again, SB folds. I have A7o in the BB. Now is this a mandatory 3-bet?

I just call, and the flop is KQxr. Can I just c/f here or am I just giving away money by playing this way?

Thanks in advance for any thoughts.

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There's no way I'm folding this in a live full ring game where I'm bored out of my mind and can pick up on physical tells. You're ahead of his range 30% of the time so you're getting decent odds. You just have to play well on the turn and river, you can't just be blindly calling down. 1/2 online vs a reg, yeah fold.