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11-17-2007, 09:37 PM
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Re: What are the top 10 starting hands in holdem?
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[ QUOTE ] Also, the advantage of "suitedness" is somewhat less quantifiable when you consider the playability of suited cards. 2-card flushes are almost always going to be the best hand, with considerable implied odds from strong non-nut hands. So that 5% difference in pot equity conceals the implied profit: If I had to go heads up against a range like AA-JJ, I would pay twice or three times as much preflop with 87s than I would with 87o, significantly more than the 5% difference when you talk about face-up all in equity. [/ QUOTE ] Please, PLEASE, PLLLLLEASE let me know where you play!! I want in that game in a BAD WAY!! [/ QUOTE ] So you just play by absolute showdown equity? You don't think implied odds are an important part of NL (or LHE, for that matter)? 
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11-17-2007, 10:05 PM
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Re: What are the top 10 starting hands in holdem?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Also, the advantage of "suitedness" is somewhat less quantifiable when you consider the playability of suited cards. 2-card flushes are almost always going to be the best hand, with considerable implied odds from strong non-nut hands. So that 5% difference in pot equity conceals the implied profit: If I had to go heads up against a range like AA-JJ, I would pay twice or three times as much preflop with 87s than I would with 87o, significantly more than the 5% difference when you talk about face-up all in equity. [/ QUOTE ] Please, PLEASE, PLLLLLEASE let me know where you play!! I want in that game in a BAD WAY!! [/ QUOTE ] So you just play by absolute showdown equity? You don't think implied odds are an important part of NL (or LHE, for that matter)? [/ QUOTE ] I absolutly consider implied odds. But implied odds post flop are a completely different story than implied odds preflop. Therefore, I don't over value suited cards preflop. I would go out of my way to play with someone who over values the implied odds of playing 2 suited cards preflop! So will you please invite me to your game? I'm asking nicely!
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#3
11-17-2007, 11:10 PM
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Re: What are the top 10 starting hands in holdem?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Also, the advantage of "suitedness" is somewhat less quantifiable when you consider the playability of suited cards. 2-card flushes are almost always going to be the best hand, with considerable implied odds from strong non-nut hands. So that 5% difference in pot equity conceals the implied profit: If I had to go heads up against a range like AA-JJ, I would pay twice or three times as much preflop with 87s than I would with 87o, significantly more than the 5% difference when you talk about face-up all in equity. [/ QUOTE ] Please, PLEASE, PLLLLLEASE let me know where you play!! I want in that game in a BAD WAY!! [/ QUOTE ] So you just play by absolute showdown equity? You don't think implied odds are an important part of NL (or LHE, for that matter)? [/ QUOTE ] I absolutly consider implied odds. But implied odds post flop are a completely different story than implied odds preflop. Therefore, I don't over value suited cards preflop. I would go out of my way to play with someone who over values the implied odds of playing 2 suited cards preflop! So will you please invite me to your game? I'm asking nicely! [/ QUOTE ] If you don't play suited connectors more often than unsuited connectors you won't be able to afford the gas needed to drive to his game. I didn't see where he stated that he overvalued suited cards, just that he plays them more often. Jimbo PS: You can come to my game anytime. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#4
11-17-2007, 11:39 PM
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Re: What are the top 10 starting hands in holdem?
And yet another prfound remark:
'I didn't see where he stated that he overvalued suited cards, just that he plays them more often.' Do you not play the hands that you value? And do you not play the hands that you place greater value on more often? And never did I say that I dont play suited connectors more ofthen thatn unsuited connectors. That is one very specific example of suited vs. unsuited cards. All I'm saying is that most people put to much value on suitedness.
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#5
11-17-2007, 11:44 PM
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Re: What are the top 10 starting hands in holdem?
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And never did I say that I dont play suited connectors more ofthen thatn unsuited connectors. That is one very specific example of suited vs. unsuited cards. All I'm saying is that most people put to much value on suitedness. [/ QUOTE ] Actually all you did was to imply you could beat another posters game having no idea the limit, the oponnents or how the game played. So basically you wasted electrons. Jimbo
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#7
11-18-2007, 02:08 PM
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Re: What are the top 10 starting hands in holdem?
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I was being sarcastic. I've attached a link with a definition for you. Sarcasim [/ QUOTE ] So now you are trying to say this quote of yours below was only sarcasm? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Also, the advantage of "suitedness" is somewhat less quantifiable when you consider the playability of suited cards. 2-card flushes are almost always going to be the best hand, with considerable implied odds from strong non-nut hands. So that 5% difference in pot equity conceals the implied profit: If I had to go heads up against a range like AA-JJ, I would pay twice or three times as much preflop with 87s than I would with 87o, significantly more than the 5% difference when you talk about face-up all in equity. [/ QUOTE ] Please, PLEASE, PLLLLLEASE let me know where you play!! I want in that game in a BAD WAY!! [/ QUOTE ] I suggest you never go into the sales profession, I am not buying your explanation and doubt many others here will buy it either. Your post miserably fails the irony test provided in your link. Jimbo
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