25NL, JJ hits a middle set on scary board. Am I a fish for shoving?

TheOTrain · #1 10-02-2007, 05:56 PM

Hands like these really get me. I want to learn how to be better playing hands like these:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($46.75) (23/17 - 34 hands)
SB ($14.05)
BB ($23.35) (25/21 - 25 hands)
Hero ($24.90)
MP ($38.90)
CO ($36.15)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, Button calls $1, 1 fold, BB raises to $3.75, Hero calls $2.75, Button calls $2.75.

 Hmm... re-raising out of BB means you're on AA-QQ, AKs.

As for the button calling my pre-flop raise, then a re-raise, you've got to be on some sort of drawing hand or semi-weak pocket pair: AQs, KQs-JTs, TT, 99 (what do you put this guy's range on?)


Flop: ($11.35) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets $8.25, Hero raises to $21.15, Button raises to $43, BB calls $11.35 (All-In).

Is this an easy laydown? I think I was just blinded by 'omg, I just hit a set' mentality.

Maunzekater · #2 10-02-2007, 06:15 PM

Please don't post results.

If you didn't include the results: push here every time.

But you did, so fold...

TheOTrain · #3 10-02-2007, 06:18 PM

I've removed results... why is it that people don't want to see results?

Poker's Busmalis · #4 10-02-2007, 06:19 PM

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Is this an easy laydown? I think I was just blinded by 'omg, I just hit a set' mentality.

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No, it's an easy shove. Just because you got coolered once doesn't mean your play was bad. It was fine.

UCanThankMeL8r · #5 10-02-2007, 06:19 PM

Agreement. Push.

Set-over-set is unlikely. More likely you're up against two pair (like the button had), AK, or a big draw. You're a favorite against all of these.

DarkMagus · #6 10-02-2007, 06:30 PM

Even if you were in position and had the button push in front of you, you still probably have good enough pot odds to call that.

Maunzekater · #7 10-02-2007, 06:36 PM

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I've removed results... why is it that people don't want to see results?

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Because it is an easy laydown if you know you are against a higher set. If you don't know villain's hand, it is a very easy push.

Results influence the responses. Read this for further explanation.

bknollenberg · #8 10-02-2007, 07:08 PM

fold pf. set mining with JJ = usually a bad idea. if you're going to play it, repop pf. you read him for AA-QQ or AK, all of which dominate you or you are flipping against, so you fold or repop, nothing else. think of it this way; if you have 33 here, what do you do? fold? why, because you're probably dominated and are set mining? same concept.

Peleus · #9 10-02-2007, 07:14 PM

*grunch*

I'd probably smooth call flop hoping to pair rather then raising. As played call.

bored · #10 10-02-2007, 07:27 PM

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*grunch*

I'd probably smooth call flop hoping to pair rather then raising. As played call.

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I don't think that's a good idea. What do you think you are behind on this flop, AQ? If a villain is behind and improves on the turn, they beat you. If they are already ahead of you with top set, you have one out.

Any A, Q, or [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (that doesn't pair the board) on the turn will suck for you, both because you might get drawn out on and because an opponent with KT or a pair + straight draw will be afraid of the scary board and might not pay you off.

Get the money in on the flop and make them pay.