Two Plus Two Newer Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Newer Archives > PL/NL Texas Hold'em > Small Stakes
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-16-2007, 07:50 AM
SilentNoise SilentNoise is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: selling fire to hell
Posts: 1,449
Default its pretty obvious what he has. but is he gonna fold?

villain n me have history. we just get into mad 3bet wars sometimes. and shove over cbet wars. his vpip/pfr is only like 17/12...but hes 3betting range is huge vs me for some reason. he must like playing pots with me or something.

i think most of his 3bet bluff range preflop normally cbets this flop since its pretty nice flop to cbet. the fact that he checks makes me believe he has a marginal type hand that he wants to showdown.

When he checks the turn again, im pretty sure he has a decent pair like JJ-KK. But he has to realise that hes induced the bluff on the turn/river...so is he going to call down anyway? even two barrels?

do you prefer betting flop when he checks then shoving turn if he checks to you again? or do you prefer seeing if he checks twice and then make two barrels? or are they both blatent bluffs?

Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $38.95
Hero (BTN): $209.10
SB: $202.30
BB: $441.95
UTG: $280.70
MP: $215.05

Pre-Flop: X[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] X[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero - whatever i decided to defend my open with (BTN)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $8</font>, CO folds, Hero calls $8, SB folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $28</font>, MP folds, Hero calls $20

Flop: ($65) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($65) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $55</font>, BB calls $55

River: ($175) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $126.10 and is All-In</font>

if you are villain what do you do with JJ-KK here?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-16-2007, 07:50 AM
shpanko shpanko is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Mile High Club
Posts: 4,726
Default Re: its pretty obvious what he has. but is he gonna fold?

edit out results
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-16-2007, 07:53 AM
higHstaKesOwneR higHstaKesOwneR is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: from where the money grow at trees
Posts: 836
Default Re: its pretty obvious what he has. but is he gonna fold?

[ QUOTE ]
if you are villain what do you do with JJ-KK here?

[/ QUOTE ]
i instacall because if villian knows that you are a solid player (preflop) you won't have an ace very often here
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-16-2007, 07:53 AM
ofishstix ofishstix is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: bmore
Posts: 1,691
Default Re: its pretty obvious what he has. but is he gonna fold?

first off edit your hand out of the results too.

second, your line of calling a raise pre then calling the reraise is pretty suspect. i dont know what aces you're doing this with, prolly not many id imagine. the board makes it hard for you to have anything besides 66 b/c i dont think too many aces are in your range. if i'm him though, i would be folding the river even though your line doesnt make much sense, b/c given the time constraint i wouldnt be able to figure out youre fos.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-16-2007, 08:50 AM
chris269 chris269 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 284
Default Re: its pretty obvious what he has. but is he gonna fold?

What does fos mean? [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-16-2007, 08:58 AM
Suigin406 Suigin406 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: fire isiah and minaya
Posts: 8,613
Default Re: its pretty obvious what he has. but is he gonna fold?

full of [censored]
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-16-2007, 09:14 AM
Noam Chomsky Noam Chomsky is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 919
Default Re: its pretty obvious what he has. but is he gonna fold?

pf representation != post flop representation

Any reasonably good opponent should be able to figure that out and you should get value out of AK nicely.

that said, lots of bad tags will never look at your whole story and call you down here with JJ-KK so I really don't mind the stab.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-16-2007, 10:32 AM
futuredoc85 futuredoc85 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: ATL
Posts: 9,014
Default Re: its pretty obvious what he has. but is he gonna fold?

given the turn and river cards KK-JJ and AK are pretty much the same hand here
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:52 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.