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12-29-2006, 09:34 PM
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Re: It\'s clear there is a Creator of the Universe!
Yes, philosophically, but this aspect it's under dispute scientificaly as well.
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12-29-2006, 09:51 PM
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Re: It\'s clear there is a Creator of the Universe!
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However the nature of GR, and QM seem to be likely properties of created universes over non created ones. [/ QUOTE ] Says who? Why? According to what criteria?
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#13
12-29-2006, 09:58 PM
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Re: It\'s clear there is a Creator of the Universe!
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[ QUOTE ] However the nature of GR, and QM seem to be likely properties of created universes over non created ones. [/ QUOTE ] Says who? Why? According to what criteria? [/ QUOTE ] We have this theory that the universe is the same thoughout. It makes sense. The Grand unifying or some such. Why then does the really large and the really small behave differently than objects in the "Middle World". We know that it does and it's possible to be the nature of a non created universe. The mehtods that the created universe would use, would purduce these types of results when we attempted to reach out past our programed environment. Then again you are the astrophysisist, so you tell me. I am afraid I will lose this point. However it isn't central.
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#14
12-29-2006, 10:09 PM
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Re: It\'s clear there is a Creator of the Universe!
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] However the nature of GR, and QM seem to be likely properties of created universes over non created ones. [/ QUOTE ] Says who? Why? According to what criteria? [/ QUOTE ] We have this theory that the universe is the same thoughout. It makes sense. The Grand unifying or some such. Why then does the really large and the really small behave differently than objects in the "Middle World". We know that it does and it's possible to be the nature of a non created universe. The mehtods that the created universe would use, would purduce these types of results when we attempted to reach out past our programed environment. Then again you are the astrophysisist, so you tell me. I am afraid I will lose this point. However it isn't central. [/ QUOTE ] That's like saying that a penguin, upon travelling to the Sahara, must conclude that the world is more likely "created" than "uncreated" because it is so different when he travels far from the environment where his species evolved. In other words, it makes no sense whatsoever. "Middle world" physics makes intuitive sense to us because we are middle world creatures, having evolved to understand sizes within a couple of orders of magnitude of a meter, speeds within a couple of orders of magnitude of a meter per second, etc. BTW: It's "produce." [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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#15
12-29-2006, 10:15 PM
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Re: It\'s clear there is a Creator of the Universe!
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That's like saying that a penguin, upon travelling to the Sahara, must conclude that the world is more likely "created" than "uncreated" because it is so different when he travels far from the environment where his species evolved. In other words, it makes no sense whatsoever. [/ QUOTE ] Ok, what properties would a created universe have. And what properties would a non created universe have?
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#16
12-29-2006, 10:21 PM
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Re: It\'s clear there is a Creator of the Universe!
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[ QUOTE ] That's like saying that a penguin, upon travelling to the Sahara, must conclude that the world is more likely "created" than "uncreated" because it is so different when he travels far from the environment where his species evolved. In other words, it makes no sense whatsoever. [/ QUOTE ] Ok, what properties would a created universe have. And what properties would a non created universe have? [/ QUOTE ] I have have no idea. How does one create a universe?
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#17
12-29-2006, 10:53 PM
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Re: It\'s clear there is a Creator of the Universe!
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] That's like saying that a penguin, upon travelling to the Sahara, must conclude that the world is more likely "created" than "uncreated" because it is so different when he travels far from the environment where his species evolved. In other words, it makes no sense whatsoever. [/ QUOTE ] Ok, what properties would a created universe have. And what properties would a non created universe have? [/ QUOTE ] I have have no idea. How does one create a universe? [/ QUOTE ]By modeling aspects of the one you are in. An obvious model would be a programmed virtual world. If you built a virtual world for the purpose of study, what programming tricks would you use to ensure the artificial nature was never discovered by it's inhabitants?
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#19
12-29-2006, 11:26 PM
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Re: It\'s clear there is a Creator of the Universe!
You making an logical mistake.
If no live wouldnt have developed, we wouldnt be able to talk about it now.So there is no "likeness" that life develops. If its not possible, we wouldnt be able to ask these questions, if life devopls we can ask this questions.And considering that you just opend such a thread, the likeness that there is universe with life in it develops is 1.
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#20
12-29-2006, 11:35 PM
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Re: It\'s clear there is a Creator of the Universe!
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And considering that you just opend such a thread, the likeness that there is universe with life in it develops is 1. [/ QUOTE ] Two things. Is it a created one or a non created one? I deal up the top card in the deck it's an Ace of spades, what is the likelyhood that the top card of a shuffled deck is the Ace of spades? If life is 1 for developing in this universe what about a universe 1/2 it's size? Double it's size?
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