Two Plus Two Newer Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Newer Archives > PL/NL Texas Hold'em > Medium Stakes

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-26-2007, 10:19 PM
snowbank snowbank is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: your style is generic, mine\'s authentic made
Posts: 4,682
Default $400nl: blind battle 500+ bb deep with JJ

villain is not too aggressive for the most part. he doesn't get involved with a lot of the 3 and 4 betting pf. this is first "blind battle" i think we have had though.


Seat 1: Rodea84 ($392)
Seat 2: AGame18 ($392)
Seat 3: SpaceyFCB ($2,185.70)
Seat 4: HERO ($2,193.50)
Seat 5: Simon Stu ($626.70)
Seat 6: GrossMann ($766.50)
SpaceyFCB posts the small blind of $2
HERO posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [Jh Js]
Simon Stu folds
GrossMann folds
Rodea84 folds
AGame18 folds
SpaceyFCB raises to $16
HERO raises to $48
SpaceyFCB raises to $148
HERO calls $100
*** FLOP *** [7h 5d 3s]
SpaceyFCB bets $200
HERO folds

standard?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-26-2007, 10:20 PM
tufat23 tufat23 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: wafflecrushing your sister
Posts: 7,933
Default Re: $400nl: blind battle 500+ bb deep with JJ

i call or make it 544
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-26-2007, 10:28 PM
stackingboxes stackingboxes is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 251
Default Re: $400nl: blind battle 500+ bb deep with JJ

did u call preflop for set value? if so, fold is fine.

if not, well this is as good as a flop as any for your hand.

I think if u raise, u'r turning u'r hand into a bluff in the respect that no worse hand will call.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-26-2007, 10:43 PM
Kirkrrr Kirkrrr is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: wtf
Posts: 1,929
Default Re: $400nl: blind battle 500+ bb deep with JJ

[ QUOTE ]
did u call preflop for set value? if so, fold is fine.

if not, well this is as good as a flop as any for your hand.

I think if u raise, u'r turning u'r hand into a bluff in the respect that no worse hand will call and no better will ever fold.

[/ QUOTE ]

fyp

I think you guys are WAY too deep for Villain to be screwing around here with a hand that you have beat (and if he was it probably nailed that flop) but if you call the flop he's probably going into call-down mode and you can get to showdown pretty cheaply most of the time... I usually just call flop, check behind any turn and shove any river. It's great fun but I'm not advocating it as a hugely +EV move.

Kirk

PS. to clarify, I do that only given the stack sizes.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-26-2007, 10:58 PM
tufat23 tufat23 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: wafflecrushing your sister
Posts: 7,933
Default Re: $400nl: blind battle 500+ bb deep with JJ

[ QUOTE ]

I think if u raise, u'r turning u'r hand into a bluff in the respect that no worse hand will call and no better will ever fold.

[/ QUOTE ]


[/ QUOTE ]

well i kinda thought out how much money i was willing to invest total for the hand. like if u call $200, turn is check check and river villain fires $500 i assume ure folding. we'd already invest 200 by calling, so chuck out another 350 or so and if he shoves we've reduced our revrese implied odds to just the 350 we chucked out. im not saying this is the most +EV line, it could arguably be -EV. just something i was thinking about.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-26-2007, 11:06 PM
snakekilla88 snakekilla88 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Donking it up
Posts: 4,622
Default Re: $400nl: blind battle 500+ bb deep with JJ

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
did u call preflop for set value? if so, fold is fine.

if not, well this is as good as a flop as any for your hand.

I think if u raise, u'r turning u'r hand into a bluff in the respect that no worse hand will call and no better will ever fold.

[/ QUOTE ]

fyp

I think you guys are WAY too deep for Villain to be screwing around here with a hand that you have beat (and if he was it probably nailed that flop) but if you call the flop he's probably going into call-down mode and you can get to showdown pretty cheaply most of the time... I usually just call flop, check behind any turn and shove any river. It's great fun but I'm not advocating it as a hugely +EV move.

Kirk

PS. to clarify, I do that only given the stack sizes.

[/ QUOTE ]

dont see how thats +EV at all.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-27-2007, 12:46 AM
Kirkrrr Kirkrrr is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: wtf
Posts: 1,929
Default Re: $400nl: blind battle 500+ bb deep with JJ

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
did u call preflop for set value? if so, fold is fine.

if not, well this is as good as a flop as any for your hand.

I think if u raise, u'r turning u'r hand into a bluff in the respect that no worse hand will call and no better will ever fold.

[/ QUOTE ]

fyp

I think you guys are WAY too deep for Villain to be screwing around here with a hand that you have beat (and if he was it probably nailed that flop) but if you call the flop he's probably going into call-down mode and you can get to showdown pretty cheaply most of the time... I usually just call flop, check behind any turn and shove any river. It's great fun but I'm not advocating it as a hugely +EV move.

Kirk

PS. to clarify, I do that only given the stack sizes.

[/ QUOTE ]

dont see how thats +EV at all.

[/ QUOTE ]

If you think always calling in that spot 500BB's deep with QQ-AA is definitely +EV... lol

Kirk
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-27-2007, 01:36 AM
Parlay Slow Parlay Slow is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Proud to be Polish!
Posts: 3,869
Default Re: $400nl: blind battle 500+ bb deep with JJ

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
did u call preflop for set value? if so, fold is fine.

if not, well this is as good as a flop as any for your hand.

I think if u raise, u'r turning u'r hand into a bluff in the respect that no worse hand will call and no better will ever fold.

[/ QUOTE ]

fyp

I think you guys are WAY too deep for Villain to be screwing around here with a hand that you have beat (and if he was it probably nailed that flop) but if you call the flop he's probably going into call-down mode and you can get to showdown pretty cheaply most of the time... I usually just call flop, check behind any turn and shove any river. It's great fun but I'm not advocating it as a hugely +EV move.

Kirk

PS. to clarify, I do that only given the stack sizes.

[/ QUOTE ]

the fact that they are so deep increasing the chances that he is "just screwing around"
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-27-2007, 02:30 AM
mythrilfox mythrilfox is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: i ain\'t got my taco
Posts: 1,428
Default Re: $400nl: blind battle 500+ bb deep with JJ

i agree with parlay slow, i think a lot of villains will just call with aa-kk here pf too w/ given history, because it is so "deceptive" and they dont want to end up in a 1000bb pot with just one pair.

i def. call the flop at least.

kirkrr i dont get your line at ALL. after we call there is 700 in the pot, and then you want to shove 2.5x pot on the river after checking the turn? why would u ever play a set like this?
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:29 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.