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Old 12-01-2007, 10:47 AM
Jeff76 Jeff76 is offline
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Default Re: NL$200| QQ - Committed but his line is very strong!

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This is all true, but it should also tell you something about your turn bet, as this really isn't any different from a turn check/raise.

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I'm not sure I follow? Are you suggesting I should have checked through for pot-control? I guess I can see that point but after he checked to me I did put him squarely on 1010 or JJ and felt by betting the turn I could work him in.

Conversely, if I'd played to get stacks in on the flop I think he'd have folded 1010 and possibly JJ (less sure about 2nd one). It's possibly a bit of a failing in my game that he'd know I'd not get stacks in on this flop without at least JJ+

[/ QUOTE ]If you are not willing to stack off on the turn (which is the same as stacking off on the river), then I don't think you should bet the turn.

Here's the thing- your flop call defines your hand extremely well. Look at it from his perspective. You raised PF, bet the flop, and then called a check/raise. You never have AK here. You never have 66-. You most likely do not have a draw. If he has TT/JJ, he isn't beating much. 88 maybe?

If he's thinking your range at all then his flop c/r either represents a weak hand that is trying to get information about where you are (he put you on AK, but now he knows better), or some kind of monster (a strangely played AA, trip 9s, or a full house).

With a JJ/TT type of hand he has to be very nervous. So yeah, those hands are in his range, but do you really think that if you bet the turn and push the river that it will be JJ/TT often enough to be profitable? His range now is mostly hands he will fold or hands that crush you. You don't want to get it in here, and most of his range you beat (low pocket pairs) are not likely to draw out on you if you give a free card (though with JJ/TT you do risk an overcard coming off and losing one more bet).

JJ/TT may look you up on the river if it's checked through and they might even call one bet on the turn, but I dont' expect him to call 2 bets with those hands. Since you can get your value from them on the turn or the river, better the river where you'll have more information (he has to act first) in a pot that is appropriate for the strength of your hand.
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