Donkey Test

[Toquitoes]

It was pretty easy to rule out AK/88. 88 fold on the flop. AK raise b/c you're only making that limp/raise w/ AA KK QQ AK. If he has AK, you don't have AA, so he's gotta raise you either on the flop/river. w/ 44 the only hand to fear is AA, or possibly a fold preflop. w/ KK, I think he'd put in another raise preflop to see if you had the rockets, but i'm iffy on that one. I guess what i'm wondering is if you had KK, would you put in another raise preflop?

Sorry about the lateness.

[Fiepoto]

10/20 Cash NL Hold'em in a Los Angeles casino. 9 Handed. $2,000 stacks. You have been at the table for a few rotations. In the SB you find:
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UTG limps. Button Limps. You limp. Unknown tight aggressive player in BB (playing about 20% of his hands and raising 10%) Raises to $120. UTG calls. You call.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]10[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

You check. BB bets $200. You call.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

You check. BB bets $300.

[cheburashka]

I went with call and lead on river.

I'm assuming that to raise to 6BB over two limper's a tight villain's range is something like JJ+, AK, AQs. JJ is unlikely, as there are two on the board. If he has AQ, he's drawing really thin, so we're not afraid to give him a free

Fold is just wrong. Villain is unlikely to have JJ, and if she does, that's just the way it goes.

I don't see what raising gets us that calling and leading out doesn't. If villain has AK, she is as likely to call a river bet as a raise on the turn. If she has AQ, she's drawing really thin, and I don't mind giving her a chance to find another A or a K.

I don't like call and check call/check raise the river, because I think that having been smooth called three times, it's likely that villain will check behind on the river.

Call and check fold the river doesn't make any sense to me at all.

[KipBond]

I went with Raise this time. Thankfully it doesn't say how much to raise in the question. I think this is a good time to put in a smallish raise -- make it $700 or so. The reason is that we are usually ahead now, this small raise might look weak, so more apt for opponent to call, and therefore be pot-committed for the rest of his stack on the river.

[Fiepoto]

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raise to 6BB over two limper's a tight villain's range is something like JJ+, AK, AQs.

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you forgot QQ.

But realistically, I think we have to put the villain on either KK or AA here. JJ? Does that $300 bet on the river make sense if he has quads? I read that 1/2 pot bet as a call-me-if-you-want-bad-odds-to-the-flush-or-straight. Same goes for QQ.

So I read this problem as a "how to get the most money in the pot" puzzle.

At first I thought we should just call, but the more I've though about it, I prefer Kip's small raise. If a diamond comes on the river, or a nine, there goes our action. Worse, we could see an A or K. I agree with Kip, get the money in now, lets commit to the pot and make our decision easy on the river.

[Robjow]

I dont see an AA, KK or AQ betting the turn on such a scary coordinated and paired board. If I held AA, KK, AQ in that spot I would be checking behind on the turn probably calling a river bet. Therefore I think AK, QQ, QJ, J10 are more likely holdings. You are only ahead of AK.
With the paired picture card board I dont see the villian stacking off with the nut straight. Therefore I would raise the turn and fold to a shove. If villian just calls the turn I would lead the river for value.

[Dumb Fish x]

Why did "I" limp pre-flop and then limp with a set?

[thoman8r]

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I dont see an AA, KK or AQ betting the turn on such a scary coordinated and paired board. If I held AA, KK, AQ in that spot I would be checking behind on the turn probably calling a river bet. Therefore I think AK, QQ, QJ, J10 are more likely holdings. You are only ahead of AK.
With the paired picture card board I dont see the villian stacking off with the nut straight. Therefore I would raise the turn and fold to a shove. If villian just calls the turn I would lead the river for value.

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I don't think a TAG is going to be raising with QJ or J10 OOP pre-flop though. That makes QQ the only reasonable hand that has us beat, and if that's what he has well then that's poker. I agree with the poster that said this seems to be a question of how best to get all of our money into the pot. I voted call and lead river but looking back I think it's better to put in a small raise on the turn. That makes it easier to shove the river.

[Fiepoto]

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I don't think a TAG is going to be raising with QJ or J10 OOP pre-flop though. That makes QQ the only reasonable hand that has us beat, and if that's what he has well then that's poker. I agree with the poster that said this seems to be a question of how best to get all of our money into the pot. I voted call and lead river but looking back I think it's better to put in a small raise on the turn. That makes it easier to shove the river.

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Good point about the TAG not raising that much with QJ or J10 . . . that's what I thought as well. The only thing he could have is QQ. And if so, so be it. But why would he give us bad odds to call the turn if that was the case?

So far we have just called, so he is probably putting us on a draw. That's the main reason I like the raise on the turn, we might draw a scary card that kills the action. Raising is our best equity play, if we wait, we continue to play passively (and terribly).

[Fiepoto]

10/20 NL cash game. 8 handed. Everyone has about $2,000. You're in the small blind with:
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A tight aggressive player UTG raises to $80. A middle position player re-raises to $240. He's playing very tight and is very aggressive. It is folded to you.