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Old 11-30-2007, 01:42 AM
LordBaldrick LordBaldrick is offline
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I'm one of those internet players (not very good but a small winner) who isn't very good at reading players when playing B&M. Like most things I have improved with time but I'm not a natural. Of all the things mentioned in Navarro's book, it is the leg shaking Tell that I have been able to use most during play. I'm not saying the others don't exist but it's the leg shaking/bouncing that I have been able to pick up on more than one occassion.

One regular player who can be very aggressive and incorporates large River bet/bluffs in his game exhibits this Tell. I am quite sure I can now pick between his large bet strong hands and bluffs because he bounces his feet under the table when he's strong.

Also, on one occassion playing a Sat morning tourny I made a big laydown from the BB (excuse my inner Phil). It was late in the tournament, there were less than 20 players remaining (originally 100 or so) and the blinds were hurting. The Button player made a large raise (he was first in), the SB folded and I had AJo in the BB. Yes he was a Tight player, but it was his bouncing leg that clinched the fold.

I'm sure that better players than me will get more out of this book than I have to date, but even a slightly above average player like me has got something tangible from it.

Look out for happy feet!

Oh yes, I forgot to mention. The Button player had AA. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
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Old 11-30-2007, 03:01 PM
Tim Peters Tim Peters is offline
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Thought I'd jump in with my Card Player review of this excellent book (pasted below).

I didn't harp on it too much in my review, but I did find a lot of the stylistic stuff too cute by half (the lame puns, the attempts at cleverness); I admire genuine cleverness, but it just never worked (and seemed almost antithetical to Navarro's FBI-ish demeanor).

Remember, too, that this kind of book will by default exaggerate tells and their meaning, which are subtle by definition. It's actually quite hard to spot a lot of physical tells, and even when you do (as Navarro points), you have to decide what that tell means. (In other words, the first time you see, say, blinking eyes or foot tapping, you really don't know what it means, but if there's a showdown, then you might be able to make a connection so that the second time you observe the behavior, it will help you make a decision.)

Also, remember that tells in low-limit games are notoriously unreliable. Someone playing ace-rag who flops an ace may well believe he has the best hand and act accordingly.

I think Navarro's book is quite brilliant (in its conception more than its prose), but the application is quite difficult to use.

Anyway, here's my Card Player review of the book (in the August 30, 2006, issue of the magazine):

It was the great fictional detective Sherlock Holmes who said to his partner and chronicler Dr. Watson: “You see, but you do not observe.” That could be the mantra of former FBI agent Joe Navarro, who has spent his career observing people and the nonverbal cues—the tells—they give off. Over the past two years, Navarro has applied his formidable intelligence and relevant experience to poker, and the result is a book that every player should read.

Even casual players know the idea behind tells, and students of the game are no doubt familiar with Mike Caro’s groundbreaking Caro’s Book of Poker Tells. But Navarro’s book is valuable precisely because he is relatively new to poker. His specialty when he was an FBI agent was on nonverbal communication and behavior analysis, and his insights into how people respond in interview situations are directly applicable to the poker table. Navarro met Annie Duke 2004 while both were guests on a TV show about humans and lying, and it was her ability to see through other people that got him thinking about poker. Then Phil Hellmuth enrolled the former FBI man as a speaker at his poker fantasy camp.

In an introduction to Navarro’s book, Hellmuth makes it perfectly clear how important tells are: “Success in the game is 70 percent reading people and only 30 percent reading the cards (understanding the mathematical and technical aspects of the game”). People may quibble over those percentages, but after reading Navarro’s book, I suspect Hellmuth is pretty close. I also suspect great players already know how to decipher tells and read players, even if they can’t articulate exactly what they’re doing. But even they will learn something from Navarro’s book—as will the rest of us.

After articulating the importance of observation, Navarro explains some of the physiology (and even the evolutionary biology) of tells. The brain’s limbic system is what reacts to outside stimuli (it tells us to fight, flee, or freeze in the face of danger), while the neocortex—the thinking part of the brain—is what makes conscious decisions. (The neocortex also allows us to lie, while the limbic system “gives off an honest response to incoming information.)

How does this apply to the poker table? An example: Bluffing is, for most people, a frightening experience; we’re afraid of being caught. The implicit danger causes some people to “freeze because they feel threatened and don’t want to be noticed.” They hold their breath, stop fidgeting, sit straight up in their chair. The observant player will notice this, and use it to help make a decision. Another example is “the flight response”: our desire to get away from sources of danger. “You’ll draw nearer to the table…when you have a great hand and draw back when your hole cards are bad.” There’s a third innate response to dangerous situation: fight. “At the poker table,” he writes, “the fight response often takes the form of aggression.” While aggressive betting is typically good; aggressive behavior, Navarro argues, is less so. (And if you’re the victim of a table bully, you have to ignore him—and it’s almost always a “him.”)

It’s one thing to pick up on tells (and I’m convinced anyone can improve his or her ability to do so). It’s another to avoid giving off tells, and Navarro devotes a considerable amount of space this topic, providing a systematic approach to establishing and controlling your table image (not your betting image, but the image you present through posture and movement). Develop a system for looking at your hole cards and making your bets, and never vary (Hellmuth is superb at this, as is Chris Ferguson).

The most fascinating chapter in the book was about what Navarro calls “the most honest part of your body”: your feet. Again, it’s an issue of evolutionary biology: “Our feet and legs not only react to threats and stressors, they are also reactive to our emotions,” he writes—think dancing, nervous foot-tapping, stomping feet at a sporting event. (You can’t really check out another player’s feet, but movement of the shoulders will often reveal if a player is a exhibiting “happy feet.”)

Navarro describes and interprets dozens of physical gestures and tells, from the pursing of the lips to what people do with their hands while waiting to bet or seeing if they’ll get called. And it doesn’t take a great deal of live poker experience to believe he knows what he’s talking about; the real challenge, of course, is knowing when to use the tells you do pick up to make decisions. Tells are a factor in your decision-making, but they are most reliable in the context of “baseline behaviors” (for example, older players often have hand tremors, so shaking hands don’t tell you much about the strength of their cards). And tells are remarkably unhelpful when dealing with players who are clueless. (If a player truly believes his top pair is good with a board showing three cards to a flush or a straight, he’s not likely to exhibit tells that suggest weakness or fear.)

The material in this book is insightful and useful. My only criticism is with the style of the prose, which occasionally strives much too hard to be clever (for example, a subhead that reads “A Rise in the Feet Means the Cards Held Are Sweet”; that’s just painful to read; I’ve never met Joe Navarro, but I’d lay quite a wager that he doesn’t talk like that and doesn’t write like that). Lots of poker books promise to pay for themselves; for those who study it carefully Read ’em and Reap will also certainly be a money-maker.
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Old 12-01-2007, 12:32 AM
80sSynthPop 80sSynthPop is offline
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My only criticism is with the style of the prose, which occasionally strives much too hard to be clever (for example, a subhead that reads “A Rise in the Feet Means the Cards Held Are Sweet”; that’s just painful to read; I’ve never met Joe Navarro, but I’d lay quite a wager that he doesn’t talk like that and doesn’t write like that).

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I had just assumed it was a form of mnemonic - isn't it primarily the picture captions and section titles that are cheesy like that?
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