50/100 River my flush on a paired board. raise? call a shove?

[ActionJeff]

raise raise raise raise raise raise raise. I raise.

-Jeff

[Ansky]

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yes, raise (edited because i saw all the 'just calls') i say: LOL.

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oh

[cbnz]

raise 4500ish

[BobboFitos]

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how can he pay off with an 8 when your hand is so easily a boat or a flush? and he's kinda spewy. what if, as unlikely as it is, you raise to 4600 and he pushes some cheese. even if you ARE ahead 50% when called, and I dont think you are, unless it's - say - 60% you're not getting anywhere near the overlay you need for giving yourself the chance at losing a won pot, IMO. and i dont see how you can possibly be ahead 60% WHEN CALLED here...

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just for sake of argument twp, why cant hero have nothing here? why cant villain just have a hand he cant fold, given his description? maybe this is unique to me but often i get into spots where i throw away some of the math of the situation and say "I have X, it's pretty good, I cant fold X getting Y price of showing down". it sounds real bad but works real nicely so I guess I shouldnt question it.

[cts]

I raise for sure

[ike]

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I raise for sure

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to how much and with what plan against a shove?

[ActionJeff]

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I raise for sure

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to how much and with what plan against a shove?

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I think we need to vary our raise size here between $4k and $7k or so depending on the villain. Almost certainly fold to a shove vs. almost all villains.

[Stinger88]

def raise, 4500 or so

[jfish]

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raise raise raise raise raise raise raise. I raise.

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[bigballz]

If hes the slightest bit spewy I like a raise/fold