TT against one of our best..Wynn 30

[mike l.]

"I'm curious to see what you guys put me on."

i didnt read the hand but:
the other TT
quads
aces

[Joe Tall]

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"I'm curious to see what you guys put me on."

i didnt read the hand but:
the other TT
quads
aces

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Holy $hit Mike, you play good! Seriously.

[Clarkmeister]

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joe loves it because your read of him being a tight ass matches how he sees himself. the problem is he's now more of a lagtag and he's a bonafide betting station. nevertheless he should be betting the turn although i like letting tattoo guy bet the river for him.

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I loved it because Clark is wrong on everything. Even the deception comment, as given Dougs hand, he had NO idea I had TT (and you can see that from his response here).

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That's funny, because I figure I was right on almost everything.

89s is closer to his hand than anything here, and it was my best guess.

He sees you as a mega tight ass with an extremely limited range.

You played it like a mega tight ass with a limited range.

What did I miss other than Doug and I had slightly different reads on your level of passivity?

[DeathDonkey]

Clark,

I know the "results" and I just want to warn you that you won't believe them either because we are awesome and Joe and Dougie are ridiculous.

-DeathDonkey

[Clarkmeister]

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Clark,

I know the "results" and I just want to warn you that you won't believe them either because we are awesome and Joe and Dougie are ridiculous.

-DeathDonkey

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Oh, I've heard the results and pretty much feel they validate my entire post other than the fact that Doug has a slightly different view as to Joe Tight's passivity than I.

You are correct that we both are teh awesome.

[Joe Tall]

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What did I miss other than Doug and I had slightly different reads on your level of passivity?

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Nothing, except any sort of response to my response to you.

[Clarkmeister]

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like you gain any deception, you may as well fire away. You simply have way way too much hand.

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What do I gain? Tatts is not folding, ever. If I thought he would 10% of the time, I'd 4-bet. I allow Doug to gain deception by 5-betting the both of us with position and I do think he'd do this with a bit less knowing I'd be more prone to give up OOP with tattoo between us as DFM would love me out of the hand to play tattoo HU. I need not be first to act in a mega-bloated pot with a possibly dominated hand. Calling allows me to c/r protect my hand on most flops as regardless if my hand is "face up", we both know that DFM continuation bets 100% of the time regardless of the flop texture and I get to shut tattoo out.

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You don't 4-bet because you want deniro to fold. You do it because your hand is a massive overlay vs the range of hands at play. If Doug is that likely to "cap for deception", that's all the more reason to 4-bet. It's the same reason it's a mistake to check behind on the river with a marginal hand vs. someone who loves to bluff raise. Give them the opportunity to spew. Your hand is a freaking monster. Honestly, I can't even believe we are discussing it. Not 4-betting is simply a EV bad play.

[mike l.]

i agree that a 4 bet p/f by joe here would be awesome for a number of reasons.

[Clarkmeister]

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i agree that a 4 bet p/f by joe here would be awesome for a number of reasons.

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Mike, I need a laggy Joe Tight betting station hand. Cause all this hand did was reinforce my (and apparently Doug's) image of him. gogogogo [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[mike l.]

ill watch out for a specific one. he plays a lot of hands. he bets when checked to and raises a lot too and he doesnt need much to do it. he's a position whore. in other words he's playing good and aggressive. but yeah he's no rock.

ill keep my eye out for a hand.