Good Folds in the Stars 50k?

[unconscious]

First....
Poker Stars, $50 + $5 NL Hold'em Tournament, 300/600 Blinds, 8 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

MP2: 3,917
CO: 2,570
BTN: 15,920
SB: 2,261
Hero (BB): 17,076
UTG: 14,440
UTG+1: 14,855
MP1: 2,633

Pre-Flop: (1,350) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
<font color="red">UTG raises to 1,600</font>, 6 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to 2,211 and is All-In</font>, Hero folds

then...

Poker Stars, $50 + $5 NL Hold'em Tournament, 300/600 Blinds, 9 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: 5,067
UTG+1: 2,370
UTG+2: 15,720
MP1: 6,672
Hero (MP2): 15,976
CO: 11,129
BTN: 15,105
SB: 1,833
BB: 8,390

Pre-Flop: (1,350) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP2)
UTG calls 600, <font color="red">UTG+1 raises to 2,320 and is All-In</font>, UTG+2 folds, <font color="red">MP1 raises to 6,622 and is All-In</font>, 6 folds

[jurrasstoil]

(EDIT) Misread it %() thought first raiser was allin for 1.6k... with nice odds (2.7-1) i might call here and hope UTG doesn't have a monster and is happy to cooperate the short stack out. Since you got him covered, he shouldn't be fooling around without the nearnuts [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Second is close, but I'd fold since it depends on reads pretty much. If MP1 knows what he is doing, you might be ahead of his range. It looks like an isoshove to me, isolating the pretty desperate UTG+1. But you're not far enough ahead to risk nearly half your stack. I'd need at least JJ or QQ here.

my 2 cents

[unconscious]

Wow you pretty much called the first hand.

btw I folded the winner in both pre and post flop, almost tilted me.

[ChipSpeak]

Hand one is very read dependant on UTG opening range, if he's loose, I don't mind a raise here, UTG is becoming more popular to steal from. without reads, I like your play.

Hand 2 has too many hands (&amp;chips) yet to act, fold.

[Pokerfarian]

I know it's totally against the general advice but I kind've like a call in hand 1. Pot odds are rather tempting, we're not going to win UI very often even if we force UTG out &amp; we're not going to force UTG off anything that is likely to beat us even if we hit a pair. And we're likely to see free cards because people don't bet without the nuts (issssh). So I don't mind him staying in the hand &amp; seeing a flop with excellent odds, whilst pushing would give us fairly bad odds if called. Might be overthinking it though &amp; it might just be push/fold anyway..
I think I like the fold in hand 2

[levAA]

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I know it's totally against the general advice but I kind've like a call in hand 1. Pot odds are rather tempting, we're not going to win UI very often even if we force UTG out &amp; we're not going to force UTG off anything that is likely to beat us even if we hit a pair. And we're likely to see free cards because people don't bet without the nuts (issssh). So I don't mind him staying in the hand &amp; seeing a flop with excellent odds, whilst pushing would give us fairly bad odds if called. Might be overthinking it though &amp; it might just be push/fold anyway..
I think I like the fold in hand 2

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If you call, what will you do if UTG pushes behind you - which is somehow likely here.

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I think both folds were right.

[jus_nutz]

i might call the frirst hand but the second hand is a standard fold.