Calling down

ciro bonano · #1 07-11-2007, 03:28 AM

I usually play NL nowadays, but I also wanted to learn 6max limit (I played FR limit before). Stox' book is on its way, so maybe these questions are treated there in greater detail. I want to upgrade my weak-tight image and start calling down some more, but I don't know if I pick the right spots. Also, lurking and reading 5/10 and 10/20 might also not be the best for 1/2.

I might probably fold really bad cards but my intention is going to showdown. Comments on every street welcome.

Hand 1:
Cryptologic
Limit: $1/$2
5 players
Converter

Villain is 27/22/6 over a whopping 35 hands sample

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero raises, CO folds, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (7.5SB, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls down

Hand 2:
Cryptologic
Limit: $1/$2
5 players
Converter

Villain unknown.

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, CO calls, Button folds, Hero raises, BB folds, CO calls.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4SB, 2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls down

Hand 3:
Cryptologic
Limit: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Villain is 34/15/4.50 (~50 hands)

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4.5SB, 2 players)
BB bets, Hero (probably dubiously) calls.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3.25BB, 2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls down

Hand 4:
Cryptologic
Limit: $1/$2
4 players
Converter

Villain unknown

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is Button with 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6SB, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5BB, 2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls down

Hand 5:
Cryptologic
Limit: $1/$2
5 players
Converter

Villain is 30/21/1.3 over ~80 hands

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, CO raises, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4.5SB, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, Hero calls down

I think I fold all of them against if I know a player is more passive but I'm not sure at which stats/reads I'd draw the line.

mvoss · #2 07-11-2007, 04:35 AM

If it's correct that the 1/2 games on crypto are actually pretty aggressive then this is how I'd play them.

1. Fine.
2. Fine, you might want to reevaluate if another [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] falls.
3. I think the flop is a fold, and the turn is a fold as well.
4. Fine.
5. I don't raise the flop, just call down.

Oink · #3 07-11-2007, 04:48 AM

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5. I don't raise the flop, just call down.

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[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] I am always raising the flop. Why would you just call down?

mvoss · #4 07-11-2007, 04:54 AM

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5. I don't raise the flop, just call down.

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[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] I am always raising the flop. Why would you just call down?

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Because I misread the hand and thought we were in position.

TheOffice · #5 07-11-2007, 05:00 AM

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3. I think the flop is a fold, and the turn is a fold as well.

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How are you folding the turn? That can't be right... ever. Flop is player-dependent, but most likely a fold.

mvoss · #6 07-11-2007, 05:17 AM

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3. I think the flop is a fold, and the turn is a fold as well.

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How are you folding the turn? That can't be right... ever. Flop is player-dependent, but most likely a fold.

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What do you think he donks on this flop?

Kvacke · #7 07-11-2007, 05:20 AM

most is fine. If you peel that flop on hand 3 its more raise than fold on the turn.

Kvacke · #8 07-11-2007, 05:23 AM

The guy is 34/15/4.50. He donks becouse we are stealing and he wants us to fold. If we call he bets again.

Oink · #9 07-11-2007, 05:43 AM

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The guy is 34/15/4.50. He donks becouse we are stealing and he wants us to fold. If we call he bets again.

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If he wants us to fold he has a marginal hand. Assuming this is correct I disagree with turn being a arise. IMO raising turn is a mistake.

Gurravasa · #10 07-11-2007, 05:43 AM

1. Fine
2. Fine, you could bet a blank river if he takes a freecard on turn.
3. Sometimes you have to peel the flop when getting donked into like this. At these levels donking into the pf raiser is common with FD or bottom pair. Turn is never a fold at this level. I think raise is a little to risky, calling is more balanced between risk and value.
4. I really think your beat against an unknown at these level and could find a fold on turn, but calling down is not terrible either.
5. Fine.