QQ coolered or could have saved money?

[jmgambler]

Dear All,

Bad play?... or is this a "tough break move on" HH

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 5 Players - (http://www.legopoker.com/hh/)

SB: $7.85
BB: $27.70
Hero (UTG): $20.90
CO: $37.25
BTN: $24.25

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 Players)
Hero raises to $1, CO folds, BTN calls $1, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.35) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero bets $2.25, BTN calls $2.25

Turn: ($6.85) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero bets $4.75, BTN calls $4.75

River: ($16.35) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero bets $5, BTN raises to $13, Hero calls all-in for $7.90
Uncalled bet of $0.10 returned to BTN

Pot Size: $42.15 ($2 Rake)

BTN had 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a flush, Ace high) and WON (+$19.25)
Hero had Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and LOST (-$20.90)

[PietM]

Don't post results. We're not interested in your bad beats, we're here to discuss your play.

Second: reload PF. Shortstacking isn't the way to go IMO.

On to the hand: Villain calling all the way looks like a draw to me. The call on the flop could be a slowplay, but I think most players would raise the turn. As you have the Q of spades you still outs in case villain has a small flush.

Your small bet on the turn smells like weakness to me. Villain could raise you here with any two, putting you on a flushdraw. I'd check here and let him bluff if he was on a draw and missed.

[jmgambler]

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Don't post results. We're not interested in your bad beats, we're here to discuss your play.

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In as much as I thank you for your comments, I really dont need the sanctimonious rhetoric, as you might note I registered at 2+2 in 2004, I know how the forum works and have 1000's of posts at other forums.

The question was: QQ Coolered or could have saved money? which your answer (and what I thought afterwards) was a turn check.. however if villian had pushed, I do not know whether I could have folded as given the action I put him on A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or similar.

[Ikaika]

His line would probably make me slow down(fwiw I'd bet 1/2 pot on the turn); I'd probably check the river and call a reasonable bet. He'll bet with AsJ, but I don't think he'll raise what looks like an obvious "call me please" bet on the river with something that you beat.

[Supwithbates]

fold to the river raise, he's not doing this with a hand you beat... other than that NH

[PietM]

In my humble opinion we're trying to learn what the best line for a situation is. Not if we can save money / extract more money knowing the results. You could've saved $20 here by folding preflop... Although that line would kinda suck. I'm trying to analyze the hand without knowing villains hand, as I would have to do at the tables (when my Pattern Mapper is broken anyway [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] ).

I wouldn't check on the turn. If villain would've raised it would've been a different situation. I'm not really sure I could let it go then.
In retrospect, I think all the money is going in anyway. I don't really see how you can get away here...

[PietM]

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fold to the river raise, he's not doing this with a hand you beat... other than that NH

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You're folding to a $8 raise in a $24 pot? Hm, I'm not sure if I could do that...

[Ikaika]

you actually think you're good here enough to make calling the river shove profitable?

[jmgambler]

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In retrospect, I think all the money is going in anyway. I don't really see how you can get away here...

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Yea, kinda what I figured too.... but wanted some confirmation.... apologies for the retort

[Hundrye]

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fold to the river raise, he's not doing this with a hand you beat... other than that NH

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You're folding to a $8 raise in a $24 pot? Hm, I'm not sure if I could do that...

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I don't usually think that folding the river with a hand this good with these pot odds is good. But in this case, I think a fold to his river RAI is definitely the best play. I really don't see a villain bluffing here while giving such great odds to call, or villain value-raising with AJ on this board... (I'd always call this i think btw, but when thinking about it i'm pretty sure this is a fold)

Edit: after doing some more analysis on the hand, I think after his All-in on the river, i think villain only has a flush or KsKx/AsAx