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07-01-2007, 02:50 PM
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i saw this tonight, pretty moving. anyone else? [/ QUOTE ] The problem is that being moving is all the movie has. Its just a collection of stories of people getting screwed by the crappy health care system we have in the U.S. Its like a really long episode of dateline. It doesnt offer any solutions to the problems or any information on why exactly the system sucks. The system sucks because people are getting screwed I get that, but thats not enough information for me. If you like dateline, which I do, then you will like this movie. I thought it was ok, but then again I like dateline so I am biased. Edit: I said it was ok, but not great or even good because it didnt give any useful information. 
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07-01-2007, 03:14 PM
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Does the movie do much more than show horror stories? Does it give context and compare on a statistical level? I mean, you can find failures in ALL systems, especially Health Care.
The way i've decided to deal with MM films is watch them as a primer and then go out and research for the facts.
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#13
07-01-2007, 03:19 PM
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[ QUOTE ] Sicko makes the Canadian Health Care system look a little too rosy. Way better than the US? Of course. As good as MM makes it look in the film? Not even close. [/ QUOTE ] yeah from talking to some canadian friends they say that the waiting lists, etc can be a bitch. seems like the major advantage of the canadian system is in accessibility of minor / preventive stuff, not having to worry about if it's covered or something. [/ QUOTE ] I have a close friend finishing up med school this year, so he's dealing with alot of these realities and debates right now. The vast majority of his class is pro-socialized health care, but he basically states that for the median, Canada and similar programs are preferred yet, for those that actually have coverage, America is at or very near the top (he goes on to cite several examples of how foreigners with money try hard to get a specialist in the States). Proper Health Care systems seem maddening to try to understand. Much like the 'correct' economic system. They are just so damned complex that even the experts are divided. That's depressing for a layman like me to think about.
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07-01-2007, 03:41 PM
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[ QUOTE ] i saw this tonight, pretty moving. anyone else? [/ QUOTE ] The problem is that being moving is all the movie has. Its just a collection of stories of people getting screwed by the crappy health care system we have in the U.S. Its like a really long episode of dateline. It doesnt offer any solutions to the problems or any information on why exactly the system sucks. The system sucks because people are getting screwed I get that, but thats not enough information for me. If you like dateline, which I do, then you will like this movie. I thought it was ok, but then again I like dateline so I am biased. Edit: I said it was ok, but not great or even good because it didnt give any useful information. [/ QUOTE ] Did you actually watch the whole movie, or did you walk out after 20 minutes? No more than half of the movie was stories of people getting screwed. The other half was showing how health care worked in Canada, England, France, and Cuba. These are the "solutions" Moore had in mind. He says the system sucks because it is motivated by profit, and we should remove this profit motive entirely. I wouldn't claim that Moore presented the health care systems in other countries in a completely objective light. But I didn't think it was at all unclear what he thought the underlying problems and solutions were.
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07-01-2007, 05:02 PM
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[ QUOTE ] Sicko makes the Canadian Health Care system look a little too rosy. Way better than the US? Of course. As good as MM makes it look in the film? Not even close. [/ QUOTE ] yeah from talking to some canadian friends they say that the waiting lists, etc can be a bitch. seems like the major advantage of the canadian system is in accessibility of minor / preventive stuff, not having to worry about if it's covered or something. [/ QUOTE ] For the major stuff, you're better off coming to America, if you can afford it. After my uncle died on the operating table in Canada, the thought was that if he'd come to America for heart surgery, he'd still be alive today. Again, only if he had the money.
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#17
07-01-2007, 05:24 PM
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It can't be that good if it can't even fool Kurt Loder from MTV...
http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/artic...58/story.jhtml
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07-01-2007, 05:42 PM
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I dont get what the hubbub is about the "health care crisis". Everything seems pretty good to me, but then I have most of my priorities straight, and am not a complete moran. [/ QUOTE ] I really don't want this whole "me agreeing with you" thing to be a new trend. That being said, Michael Moore is an arrogant worthless piece of trash. The sooner he fades away into mediocrity the better.
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#19
07-01-2007, 07:00 PM
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Good film. Moore is obviously over the top, but it doesn't bother me much as i usually agree with his general premises. I thought the most damning part of the movie was the difference between American and British bonus systems.
Any brits care to comment on HRS?
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07-01-2007, 07:23 PM
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Michael Moore spoke at PSU during Fall 2004. The school paid him over $30,000 to speak there. It was supposed to be about his new movie (this was before Fahrenheit 9/11 was released). But from the start, Moore made it a giant rally against President Bush, encouraging the hugely liberal audience to vote Kerry and so on. What a waste of our tuition money. Though "Sicko" does look like an interesting movie. [/ QUOTE ] im pretty sure this nationwide college campus tour was billed as an election rally.
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