How Kenny Tran Rates Internet Players

[Xander]

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Also, when he said, they can't lay down a hand, he meant in live games where he considered it a mistake. He told me about a hand where his well known internet opponent could have saved tens of thousands of dolllars if he would have made what Kenny considered the obvious play of folding two kings preflop. I guess that fold is never made in internet games.

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I would hope this isn't his primary "evidence" regarding online players.

[LetMeLive]

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He told me about a hand where his well known internet opponent could have saved tens of thousands of dolllars if he would have made what Kenny considered the obvious play of folding two kings preflop. I guess that fold is never made in internet games.

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This reminds me of a post Gobbo once made where he said something to the effect of "one time i won a pot with 72, can you believe it, two pair, yup"

Clearly you can see why one hand doesn't define an entire group of peoples abilies right? <font color="white"> i.e. ducy? </font>

[andy099]

fold preflop with kings. rofl

[ASPoker8]

David, here is an interesting question for you:

Hypothetical - I select 9 of the best internet players and Kenny Tran selects 8 of the best live players (and includes himself).

These 18 players are randomly paired into:
a) 3 groups of 6
b) 2 groups of 9

They play 100k hands of 6 handed NLHE and 100k hands of 9 handed NLHE with the pairings being switched randomly every 10k hands.


Do the internet players do better?
Do the live players do better?

[LetMeLive]

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David, here is an interesting question for you:

Hypothetical - I select 9 of the best internet players and Kenny Tran selects 8 of the best live players (and includes himself).

These 18 players are randomly paired into:
a) 3 groups of 6
b) 2 groups of 9

They play 100k hands of 6 handed NLHE and 100k hands of 9 handed NLHE with the pairings being switched randomly every 10 hands.


Do the internet players do better?
Do the live players do better?

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Obv he will say it depends if they play live or online.... but i think i see where ur going with this

[gobboboy]

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David, here is an interesting question for you:

Hypothetical - I select 9 of the best internet players and Kenny Tran selects 8 of the best live players (and includes himself).

These 18 players are randomly paired into:
a) 3 groups of 6
b) 2 groups of 9

They play 100k hands of 6 handed NLHE and 100k hands of 9 handed NLHE with the pairings being switched randomly every 10 hands.


Do the internet players do better?
Do the live players do better?

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I'm assuming this is being played live?

[Stinger88]

I sure hope it's not 100k hands live. How many years would that take?

[Max Raker]

In the high stakes games I think the biggest difference between online and live is the fact that online players have much better tools to analyze their games. If a live player starts loosing, how on earth do they fix it? Seems impossible to me. I have had extended periods of losing at 5 10 NL and 10 20 NL that I know I would not have been able to fix without HH's and poker tracker. I accept that these live players may be much better then me, but their games are also tougher.

Also I think we can be very sure about how good online players are due to the vast amounts of data available. You could make a good argument based on data who the top 10 online players are. For a live player we have to resort to gossip and second hand stories. The error bars on how good a live player is would be huge. I could see them being much better or much worse than their online counterparts. (If i had to gamble I would pick the online guys though)

[LucidDream]

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If it was a six handed internet high stakes game he now agreed that some of the top twenty would be those who are considered internet players.

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shouldn't be be playing in these games then rather than 1 tabling 3/6 and 5/10nl on FTP...i mean that is if he's the best and most of these internet players that are playing aren't even in the top 20.

[raptor517]

David, im not really sure how super high stakes games work. when i played 500-1k nl/plo game at bobbys room this summer, it was capped at 7 people. most of the other higher stakes live games i have played start off 10 handed, but then eventually break down to a few of the better players playing short, then everyone quitting saying 'this stupid kid keeps reraising, hes so bad.' in a full ring 10 handed setting, i think Tran is generally right here, but saying not 1 of the top 20.. i mean cmon. most of us 'online' players dont know how to fold KK pf. it is the second best hand after all. Most of us DO seem to be able to adjust though but god forbid we do, they kick us out of the game because we play 'too tight' and dont give 'enough action'. apparently the 'live players' want it both ways. tons of idiot fish that play too many hands and play them bad.

MY guess is tran played online a little bit at higher stakes games (50-1+) and got crushed short handed. i dont know enough about his game to even comment with any authority, so this is speculation, but i would venture to guess that he tried to run a bunch of bluffs like he would in a live game against the nitty people that fold a lot and got snap looked up by 3rd pair more than once, and got frustrated. A lot of the high stakes online regs just have a ton more experience in playing short handed, as thats really the only sort of games that get off the ground. For him to say that not one of the top 20 high stakes NL players is considered an online player is just absolutely ridiculous. I would take me, durr, z, hac, (urindanger and his bro) phil (jman) and whichever 4 guys he picks in a 10 handed game all day, and OH MY GOD if the game was short handed.. The best thing about this, is we could actually set it up, and everyone from our side would be very interested in playing.