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Old 12-01-2007, 07:14 PM
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Default Couple of strange hands from $5k 5diamond

25/50, 10k stacks.

I limp TT utg, random-middleaged guy limps UTG+1, bad button makes it 200, i call, UTG+1 calls

Flop 952r (675 in pot)
I check, UTG leads for 600, button folds, i call.
Turn T (1875)
I check, he checks.
River 7 (1875)
I lead 2k, he thinks and makes it 4k, I have 7k behind and shove.

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100/200, 4500 stacks

bad old guy open limps in LP, apestyles limps button, SB completes and i check 9Tdd.

Flop 7d 9h Jd (800)
SB leads 300, i think and just call, old dude calls, and apestyle makes it 1200 straight. SB folds, I call w/ 3100 behind, old guy calls.

Turn 7h (4700)
I shove 3100.

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The first one i felt like straights would be fairly unlikely and that he wouldnt be able to fold a set. I just call if i got there w/ 777, but i thought i could shove TTT.

The second i decided i had no fold equity shoving the flop over apestyle's raise - i'm not sure if tahts right or not, but since i thought i had none, i called to get some more money in the pot if i hit. Not sure what i think about the turn - not gonna get a J to fold, but c/f or c/c doesnt sound so great.

edit: meh, i think i shoulda shoved flop the 2nd time around, and not let old guy come along.
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Old 12-01-2007, 08:11 PM
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Default Re: Couple of strange hands from $5k 5diamond

Raise pre in hand 1.
River is a shove.

Hand two just raise the flop and get it in as played just shove over apestyles raise.
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Old 12-01-2007, 08:24 PM
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Default Re: Couple of strange hands from $5k 5diamond

Hand 1 id raise pf and shove the river pretty happily.

Hand 2 I think I'd jam the flop but its pretty close.
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Old 12-01-2007, 08:37 PM
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Default Re: Couple of strange hands from $5k 5diamond

good river shove fo sho in hand 1.

in hand 2 i'd raise the flop the first time around.
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Old 12-01-2007, 10:35 PM
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Default Re: Couple of strange hands from $5k 5diamond

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Hand 1 id raise pf and shove the river pretty happily.

Hand 2 I think I'd jam the flop but its pretty close.

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Agreed.
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Old 12-01-2007, 11:51 PM
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Default Re: Couple of strange hands from $5k 5diamond

Hand 1 easy shove
Hand 2 just raise the flop bet
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Old 12-01-2007, 08:23 PM
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Hand 1 is good, there's no way you're beat, and there's no way in hell he's putting you on TT there.

Hand 2 you have to shove the flop, you want to get called, you're ahead of virtually any hand.
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Old 12-01-2007, 08:50 PM
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Default Re: Couple of strange hands from $5k 5diamond

1)I just kinda vaguely dislike every street here and have the most issues with the flop/turn combo. I think, having c/c'd the flop, betting the turn this deep to try to get all of it in is a must. having gotten there *this* way, 86/64 are a not-insignificant part of his range because he's a live clown, so I just call the river.

2's fine imo if you're looking to max variance but max pot size...the old guy being in on the flop is probably not a real bad thing with your equity here.
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Old 12-01-2007, 10:29 PM
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Default Re: Couple of strange hands from $5k 5diamond

Hand 1: I had to check the board 4-5 times. Agree w/ everyone else.

Hand 2: I think you should raise first time around too. You get looked up very often by ape, unless he has another flush draw. I wouldn't think he's ever bluffing on flop and the very very worst hand he might have is JT, which he will probably call with. Your hand is never bigger than AJ with this line, and even that you prob either jam or fold on flop (and probably raise first time around). Your hand looks exactly like what it is, a combo draw that's trying to max FE. You're jamming two pair/sets/straights and there are like no 7x hands in your range. Raise first time around > Raise 2nd time around > call flop, jam turn.
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Old 12-02-2007, 12:53 AM
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having gotten there *this* way, 86/64 are a not-insignificant part of his range because he's a live clown

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I don't think there's a live player in the universe making a pot-sized bet on the flop into 2 people with either of these gutshot draws.

Edit: And 64 = 6-high on the river.
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