$200NL, Semibluff c/r'd -- draw comes in

the_main · #1 02-02-2007, 02:01 AM

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saw flop|saw showdown

SB ($150.25)
BB ($116.60)
Hero ($294.05)
UTG+1 ($207.10)
MP1 ($91)
MP2 ($187.30)
MP3 ($159.10)
CO ($132.40)
Button ($85.65)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero calls $2, 3 folds, MP3 calls $2, CO calls $2, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($10) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $8, MP3 folds, CO folds, SB raises to $18, BB folds, Hero calls $10.

Turn: ($46) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($46) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $20, Hero calls $20.

Final Pot: $86

Villian is 24/5 over about 200hands... no history to my recollection.

Comments/discussion on all streets please.

Mr_Donktastic · #2 02-02-2007, 02:46 AM

Some may argue with limping UTG with QJs but I'm not one of them.

Flop I like the lead, and in position I like the call instead of rr. If I was oop I would bet/3 bet.

The turn card is pretty ugly. I would expect SB to bet the T if he had it but then again I would hate to get raised off of my draw so I think a check is good.

The river is also so/so because is completes you flush but fills up AT. I'm a little torn between calling and raising for value as long as you can fold to a push. Intersted to hear what others think.

acidca · #3 02-02-2007, 03:53 AM

Why would AT c-r the flop? I think another flush is the most likely hand here, and I think it will pay off a minraise.

MataWispar · #4 02-02-2007, 04:53 AM

I think I would play it the same way limped, but i think I raise slightlty more than half the time pf. i think a min raise is just terrible here as you shouldn't call a push, but sometimes will just because a min raise looks so weak.

the_main · #5 02-02-2007, 02:53 PM

If I raise river, there is no way I'm calling a push.

I thought I could get away with the PF limp, as the table was playing very passive.

Any other thoughts?

andyEB · #6 02-02-2007, 03:05 PM

Against some opponents (who you have fold equity against) you can play very aggressively on the flop and turn.

As played I think you're missing value on the river... I probably bump it to $60 there (or maybe even shove it AI).

I think I could make a case for both. FWIW I think you're ahead pretty often here.

pterodactyl_ · #7 02-02-2007, 03:29 PM

I'm definetly not gonna even think about pushing AI on the river here. I think a small raise is ok for value. What is the villains range here? I think you're looking at a flopped straight very often that will pay you off if you raise to about 50 on the river. He made a weak c/r on the flop to keep you around when he has the nuts and gets scared when the board pairs on the turn. Then makes a thin value bet on the river. If he pushes AI after you raise him then hes got a house, but I don't think you run into this too often.

bmanning · #8 02-02-2007, 03:38 PM

I also like the river raise to 50. The board pairing coulda scared him also. flopped sts, lower flushes, and maybe even flopped 2 pair might pay off.

modnareno · #9 02-02-2007, 06:01 PM

I've noticed a lot of people's reactions when making a boat on the turn is to insta-check. I would never raise the river except against super awful players.

Fonkey123 · #10 02-02-2007, 06:05 PM

I probably raise river. Rest looks standard.