very tough spot with flopped set

[KitCloudkicker]

full 10.

i limp 33 utg. a few more limpers and the blinds check.

flop is K63 all diamonds. SB checks, BB leads. I raise. horrible player cold calls 2. villain 3 bets. for reference, the 3 bettor has:

1) cold called me pf with KK and just called me the whole way on a paired board (I had 66 and thought I was vbetting)

2) had a vpip of at least 80% in the 4 hours or so we've played

3) played a c/c game on all 3 streets on the majority of his hands.

anyway it folds to me. what is my plan?

[James.]

if he wouldn't do this with less than the flush, you have a redraw. call and try to hit it. by the river, the pot size is going to require a hell of an accurate read to lay it down. even so, you have bottom set on a monotone board with a loose-passive player going crazy. how often do you really think you're good here UI? i wouldn't think too often.

[Qwijibo]

Just wondering, OP, what kind of table does it take for you to limp 33 UTG like this. Not a judgment on your play, just a honest question to help me learn. You're obviously expecting to see a couple more limpers, not including the blinds. Can you provide a broader table description, or does the one "terrible player" make limp standard?

[BadBigBabar]

most any table of live limit poker

especially tables with bad loose passive players who like to limp a lot of crap hands preflop

[BadBigBabar]

also please cap the flop
we have a set

[kbdunn]

Im leaning towards capping the flop. A lot of bad live players tend to either get really passive or really aggressive on monotone boards.

Your villain here has a record of being very passive, his 3 bet could mean a higher set, or more likely a king with a decent diamond kicker (limped AK?), or 6x with a diamond kicker and SD, etc.

If you put him squarely on a higher set or flopped flush, then call all the way down. I can see this villain holding a big flush card and a pair rather than a higher set or flopped flush. Most live tards will play it stupid and raise the turn with their flopped flush instead of playing the flop fast, and instead play the flop fast with a monster draw...in my experience.

The cold caller sandwiched inbetween you two is most likely holding a diamond too or is just really dumb.

Cap the flop and lead a safe turn, re-eval if raised.

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Just wondering, OP, what kind of table does it take for you to limp 33 UTG like this.

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Passive and/or prone to large multi-way pots for only 1-2 bets pre-flop. Additionally its a horrible thing to do unless you play very well postflop, have a great image pre-flop, and you can maximize the rare times that you do indeed hit. I'd think its safe to say I wouldn't recommend a lot of the posters in this forum do it, but some would be foolish if they didn't exploit small edges such as limping w/33 UTG.

[BadBigBabar]

tt, i think you haven't played many live lower limit games then lately...

[DeuceKicker]

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Passive and/or prone to large multi-way pots for only 1-2 bets pre-flop. Additionally its a horrible thing to do unless you play very well postflop, have a great image pre-flop, and you can maximize the rare times that you do indeed hit. I'd think its safe to say I wouldn't recommend a lot of the posters in this forum do it, but some would be foolish if they didn't exploit small edges such as limping w/33 UTG.

[/ QUOTE ]Are you kidding? Small pocket pairs are profitable, and easy to play post-flop. Image means nothing because nobody is paying attention.

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Passive and/or prone to large multi-way pots for only 1-2 bets pre-flop. Additionally its a horrible thing to do unless you play very well postflop, have a great image pre-flop, and you can maximize the rare times that you do indeed hit. I'd think its safe to say I wouldn't recommend a lot of the posters in this forum do it, but some would be foolish if they didn't exploit small edges such as limping w/33 UTG.

[/ QUOTE ]Are you kidding? Small pocket pairs are profitable, and easy to play post-flop. Image means nothing because nobody is paying attention.

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I think you need to re-read my post, you only read what you wanted to see. Small pocket pairs are of course profitable if you play well post flop, but if your a bad player who lips with 33 and when it becomes a multiway pot then you check-call on a 5 way flop of 8 2 J because its ragged then its bound to be a losing play in the long run (I think a lot of readers of this forum aren't good players yet but are on their way). Image also makes a difference because if your opponents are just slightly observant they will call instead of raise with part of their range, and for others they will limp in more loosely because they think to themselves "if the guy who always is raising thinks its ok to limp, then the waters must be safe".